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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

* Imperial units are defined in terms of metric units. * The cost of changing over is astronomical * Domains where the metric system is actually better use the metric system * Domains where it does not don't need it. * You have a supercomputer on your wrist. Dividing by a number other than 10 is not such a challenge anymore. * A4 paper is in no way superior to letter. It's just a choice. Replacing American exceptiona…

Why are you bringing up imperial units? The US doesn't use them. The US uses US customary units.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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To be fair, isn't basically any font better than Times?

Wasn't the whole point of Times to be legible when printed at super high speed with super cheap ink on super crappy newsprint?

If you want maximum legibility, would the solution not be a variant of Century Schoolbook which was explicitly designed to be legible?

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #72

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I mean, that's not implausible. This sounds like exactly what would happen if one person had a specific font preference and happened to be in charge.

Calibri is the default MS Office font

So what?

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

The federal government is Microsoft Word all the way down. The relevant people have no idea what you’re talking about.

Some of us federal scientists use LaTeX! Have to use Word for internal documents (like proposals) that go to management though…

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #56

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8.5”x11” is a standard size for the US and Canada, but not for the rest of the world. Which leads to the eternal problems for any NGOs or contractors working for the US government overseas who have to source Letter size for US gov partners and A4 for local partners!

Yep. Every time I have to renew my Australian passport I have to buy a ream of A4 paper. Every time I forget where last time's ream was stored. I suspect someday I'll find thousands of sheets somewhere lost in my basement.

Why doesn't renewing it online work? is there still a paper based component to it? I don't think I had that problem last time I renewed mine online.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Imperial units are defined in terms of metric units. * The cost of changing over is astronomical * Domains where the metric system is actually better use the metric system * Domains where it does not don't need it. * You have a supercomputer on your wrist. Dividing by a number other than 10 is not such a challenge anymore. * A4 paper is in no way superior to letter. It's just a choice. Replacing American exceptiona…

Why are you bringing up imperial units? The US doesn't use them. The US uses US customary units.

Because they are based on (sorta) imperial and nobody really knows the difference all that well. So people say imperial when referring to the non metric countries that happen to speak English.

At least insofar as being defined in terms of metric units, the statement you replied to was accurate for both imperial and customary.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #87

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A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

In case anyone is unaware, A0 is 1m^2 in size, and each adjacent number is half the size (i.e. A1 = 500 000 mm^2, A2 = 250 000 mm^2, A3 = 125 000 mm^2, A4 = 62 500 mm^2). This has the great advantage of allowing documents to be easily up and down-scaled on a photocopier - i.e. an A3 document can be printed at 50% scale on an A4 sheet. I wonder if anyone ever tried to do something similar with imperial units (AKA Engl…

US paper sizes:

ANSI A == 8.5 x 11 inches (letter)

ANSI B == 11 x 17 inches

ANSI C == 17 x 22 inches

ANSI D == 22 x 34 inches

ANSI E == 34 x 44 inches

There are additional sizes frequently used in the US too: business card, legal, half letter, and specialized sizes for architecture.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Imperial units are defined in terms of metric units. * The cost of changing over is astronomical * Domains where the metric system is actually better use the metric system * Domains where it does not don't need it. * You have a supercomputer on your wrist. Dividing by a number other than 10 is not such a challenge anymore. * A4 paper is in no way superior to letter. It's just a choice. Replacing American exceptiona…

Why are you bringing up imperial units? The US doesn't use them. The US uses US customary units.

Aside from being overly pedantic, which is the reason I used the term, the doubly overly pedantic reply is that we do have the Imperial system, just redefined to be different than the itself-later-redefined imperial system.

Furthermore, the names of the units are from the imperial system, even if the definitions themselves are not.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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You assert it will be incrementally better without offsetting for the externalities of the switch, which would take decades. Also the metric system is European in origin. Despite what chapter 0 of every science book implies god did not invent it.

Here's the thing about the switching and the costs of it: every other country, much poorer than the modern US of A, went through it just fine . And in any case, this cost is not going to go down the longer you wait, on the contrary—unless, of course, the US industrial prowess utterly collapses so that there is not much left to upgrade.

You're trying to say that because they did it and they're poorer it should be easier for us because we're richer. First of all, the cost will be in proportion to the activity of the economy and the population. Second, the proportion of people who were educated to use units of any kind was a smaller proportion of that smaller population. And in many former-non-metric countries many quantities are still often quoted in the old units.

All of that and it is still the case that the primary system in the US is the metric system de jure if not de facto. De facto, the metric system is virtually universal in science domains in the US.

Whether the metric system is "better" or not is not the question. There are keyboard layouts not actually designed to slow down typing, but it's just one of those things that most people don't see worth changing. Are they wrong? In that case, it's an individual valuation. I'm sure "the US economy is losing $500b because of QWERTY" would make great copy on a slow news day on reddit. But unless it costs Not everyone is a relentless optimizer. Even some of us who are also like to optimize for the entire system, including transaction costs/overhead/maintenance and not just some ab initio declaration of right like god in genesis.

The US has a great solution that everyone hates because it's the US: we use metric where it's necessary and leave it alone everywhere else. We could use a lot more European know how in numerous other sectors. I would even go so far as to say it's probably correct to presume that things where the US is the outlier is a case where we are the ones doing it wrong.

It's a presumption, meaning evidence can rebut it. In this case, here we can manage both. We can teach both in schools, we can use computers and calculators to divide by numbers other than 10 (which you have to do with mixed units and constants in metric calculations anyway). In fact, I wonder if there's proof that all of this extra teaching and double system overhead is worth what it costs! I bet the answer is that it is though and as long as you can experiment and find out in your domain, it sounds great to me. Different systems for the win!

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