Live data from Hacker News

Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

thepilot.com

161–170 of 292 posts

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#161

Reminds me of this Bay Area incident from 2013 that has never been explained publicly: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304851104579359...

Assault on California Power Station Raises Alarm on Potential for Terrorism

April Sniper Attack Knocked Out Substation, Raises Concern for Country's Power Grid

By Rebecca Smith - February 5, 2014 : https://archive.ph/qILZ5

And : https://archive.ph/HCNOz

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A VHS cassette tape thrown over transmission lines in the middle of nowhere coordinated at 3 or 4 key locations would do that too… and much easier ordinance to acquire. NMS systems can’t react and load shedding chaos is likely.

What's the significance of VHS tapes?

Lightweight but relatively strong conductive ribbon

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#163

A grenade (or IED) or two thrown in coordination into a few of those local-area transformer / power distribution stations would cause state-level chaos. Where I live, these seemingly critical infrastructure outposts, are protected by nothing more than high chicken-wire fences. Cyber Squirrel is the best and longest-lived exemplification of the sensitivity and scale of this vulnerability: https://cybersquirrel1.com/ T…

Thank you for the cybersquirrel link, it made my day although I'd personally like to see the addition of lightning strikes, floods, and other non human vectors of destruction.

While I have nothing (for now) to directly add to transmission network down time, I can at least add another Western Australian bird story to yours . . .

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-08/zebra-finch-makes-nes...

The linked video rivals anything David Attenborough voiced.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#164

Vast majority of physical infrastructure has no security beyond a rickety fence. It is good that most terrorists are as mentally unstable as they are, because a rational person with some easily homemade bombs could easily disable most anything they want with no real chance at being caught.

Bombs seems like too much work. I think you could drive a truck into most electrical stations too much the same effect.

You can probably only do that once, though. There's really no reason to be caught with a quick timed bomb throw and walk away. Or just shooting it with a rifle from accross the street after reading some Wikipedia pages to learn where to shoot.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#166
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far more likely to be vandalism, and that happens from time to time with infrastructure all over the place. Jumping to such an extreme overreaction does nothing other than make life miserable for everyone that's innocent. Deploy police to monitor infrastructure for sure, but locking down law abiding citizens seems like overkill.

This is in no way anywhere near normal, come on now.

Yeah; I'm pretty sure WW3 started in 2014.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#167

This may turn out to be a good thing in the long run. Why? People (and news reports) have been highlighting the lack of security around critical infrastructure like this for years. Now that folks are deciding to attack these targets, hopefully more budget and time goes into actually securing them vs just throwing up some fences around them. Granted, there could also be the power industries version of "security theate…

Regulated power industry typically is allowed by regulators a fixed % rate of return on the capital. More infra increases the number. They are already running up the capital base with the "green investments", so please don't increase the infra with security theater suggestions.

If you are really concerned, bury a propane tank plumbed to a generator.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#168

Civilization will end because it is so much easier to break things than build them.

Building things is a lot more fun though, so there is still hope. You run into problems if you create a society where people can’t build. Then they turn to destruction.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and no. Metcalf was similar in terms of targeting the transformer with rifle fire. But it was more professionally done (in terms of minimizing forensic footprint) and more hands-off, compared to the gate being pulled down by a truck as in this case. There are a number of potential suspects, but my feeling is that if there are no arrests in 72 hours you can expect a bunch of copycat attacks. Substations are very…

The authorities quoted in the article said whoever did it had a good understanding of the power grid and what they were doing. Maybe it's common enough knowledge, I don't know but it gave me the impression that it wasn't trivially easy to do, making copycats, especially by just the kind of dumbass who would copycat this, less likely

Extremist corners of the Internet have been discussing how to do this for several years down to even suggesting certain substations for maximum impact (thanks in part to gov reports on the subject). It's surprisingly trivial once you learn about it.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

#170
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's both. You need to do research that will show you just how long the lead times are for transformer equipment and supplies. Oh, and those lead times are still getting longer .

Yes, it is both. I do ask for you to reflect back on covid. Remember when trying to make a vaccine was 5-10 years, but when an entire country/world makes something a priority and become hyper focused and motivated they'll 10x output. The problem is when regardless of input you can't speed up the output. Think of a pregnancy, adding more pregnant women doesn't speed up the process, and consuming more inputs doesn't sp…

The covid "vaccine" was fast-tracked by ignoring standard safety testing and by granting product safety immunity to manufacturers.
Post reply on HN