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$430 is a lot of money though... and probably a lot for a "kids" phone too? You can get previous generation androids that aren't total POS for ~$150, like a Moto G 8-9.
My first smartphone, as a highschooler, was $40 (circle 2014). My first "luxury" phone was a $150 Android. A $430 price tag IS a lot.
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It's a good opportunity to teach your kids about how crappy and shallow other kids can be, and also teach them how to respond to criticism like this. 20 years ago, you'd get shit for not wearing the cool kind of shoes your peers had.
This is it, if it wasn’t the phone it would be something else.
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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.
Is there a reason to allow a tech company to arbitrarily emphasize ostracization and bullying to increase their bottom line? I know there are common accusations of fan-boyism in both directions but I would hope this community can unite in calling out Apple over their messenger bullshit. Real stakeholders at Apple need to realize how damaging this profit optimization is.
If that is true, wouldn't that be a de facto monopoly which Apple could be sued for?
This claim seems a little odd to me. I searched more about it and found this article: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... from January saying the exact same thing as this fall survey, and this article form 2020 which says it was 86%: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/apple-rules-86-pe... . I can't find an estimate for teen iPhone ownership besides this company but this just seems…
It's like a survey on how may times you have sex in a month.
So I have owned an Android all my life and never daily driven an iPhone. The iPhone (edit forgot the iPhone part) screen seems more responsive and very bright and colorful. To me the freedom of an unlocked phone I can put my own apps on is very important for me for Android. Why should I get an iPhone? edit: not sure most teens care or are unaware of Android's around 3 years support length for a phone.
I don't think they care either, but in many cases it makes iPhones a wiser purchasing decision, so they should care. If we're decrying the effectiveness of iPhones' marketing and intentionally cultivated and preserved incompatibilities on children, our alternative must be to encourage practical decisions. Sadly, a slightly old iPhone is often the most practical decision, because Android is still a closed platform masquerading as an open one, and they aren't kept updated outside of Google's and the manufacturers' hardware marketing strategy.
Apple is making money from the use of its phones, so (mostly) happily keeps them going far longer.
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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.
Is there a reason to allow a tech company to arbitrarily emphasize ostracization and bullying to increase their bottom line? I know there are common accusations of fan-boyism in both directions but I would hope this community can unite in calling out Apple over their messenger bullshit. Real stakeholders at Apple need to realize how damaging this profit optimization is.
They invented a ton of new messaging features that SMS didn't support, and the phone has to make it clear which conversations support those and which don't. So they had blue bubbles replace existing green ones.
Ostracization and bullying is what teens do for a thousand different reasons over a thousand different things. Yes Apple is responsible for creating a walled garden of messaging, just like WhatsApp has over most of the rest of the world, and basically every other rich messaging app is trying to do. It's not like Google Allo was trying to be any less walled garden.
But to say Apple is responsible for ostracization and bullying is to take the notion of responsibility too far. Is Supreme responsible for kids who bully other kids because they aren't wearing Supreme...?
My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
I tried avoiding the iPhone bandwagon for practically a decade, going from flip phone to the HTC Droid Incredible, to some HTC M , to Samsung S4, and then a series of Pixel phones, starting with the OG Pixel, and ending with the Pixel 3. I have to say: besides a few clunky swipe experiences, the iPhone is better in every single way. The camera opens when I click the camera button. The phone pairs wonderfully with my…
You can feel the dedication and craftsmanship with the iPhone.
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My two high scoolers are produ members of Android generation and apparently dong give a damn as long as they get to play games and chat on discord and text with girls. I am going to count that as a win against the industrial marketing complex.
You think giving them phones from an Ad company is a win /against/ the marketing industry?