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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Isn't this against some non-retaliation laws?

At will employment. You can be fired anytime for any reason, and there's not much in the way of recourse. Though you also get to quit without notice at such a job.

At-will employment says you can be fired any time for any reason except reasons that are explicitly illegal. This would include, for instance, discrimination against a protected class; anything covered by whistleblower laws (FCPA, all the relevant Dodd-Frank whistleblower provisions); or for organizing a union. It doesn't appear to me that the employees in this case have a slam dunk legal case, given that their allegations mostly don't seem to line up with whistleblower protection laws and while they were collectively speaking as employees, they were not formally unionizing. There are likely other ways to pretextually fire people engaging in protected activities anyway. But the question isn't crazy, this is certainly adjacent to the kind of territory that could have some legal protection.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Ouch given that there were some valid proposals But also valid if people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about, I’ve seen that trend and I’m totally find curb stomping that whole mentality. I can empathize with the lack of employee power in the US that could lead one to these outcomes, there are other ways (that may not be available to those employees or in the US at all) For Shotwell,…

"I'm totally fine curb stomping [employee activism]" I knew HN skewed toward tech-bro libertarianism, but this is a bit much even for that.

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Wait six month, when the Tesla stock has crashed and he gets margin called. He's going to go nuts and have an epic fall from grace.

If I might be so bold, I don’t think anyone around here really appreciates Musk’s antics very much. However Tesla and SpaceX are fundamentally sound, if overvalued, businesses. Since the start of Tesla he has had loud and obnoxious detractors who have had any number of reasons Tesla is about to implode. Instead they keep churning out solid EVs and SpaceX keeps putting stuff in space. As much as I dislike him, I would…

Fundamentally sound doesn't always matter if they are overvalued enough. Companies that take a 99% drop in stock price are likely to end up losing the last percent in a bear market based on lack of confidence from investors.

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Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

He has Asperger’s and has talked openly about his difficulty understanding social cues. https://www.axios.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-aspergers-syndrom... I don’t think that fully excuses or justified everything he does, but it has some explanatory power. It’s obvious by his work output that he is not a very typical person, and it seems like society as a whole is gaining tremendous benefit from his eccentricity. I don’t…

>He has Asperger’s and has talked openly about his difficulty understanding social cues.

In the history of items written on Musk in the past 20 years, was it ever mentioned prior to 2022?

Yeah, sure, like 90% of SV claims to be "on the spectrum", often as a behavioural excuse. Don't believe me? Look at any comment section of an article discussing the subject on these forums.

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Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Why would governments be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Governments are monopolies. Corporations have to compete, which naturally limits their power. Democracy is a way to limit government power.

Autocracy would be better for governments too, if countries were smaller and people could freely move between them.

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Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy Unlikely, given his dependence on China - he'll stay quiet, just like Tim Cook does at Apple.

I think they both have a significant number of software engineers but I think astrophysicists, aeronautical engineers, and etc likely fall in a similar bucket as software engineers as far as supply and demand / leverage go.

I'm sure recruiters at Boeing, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic are lighting up phones today.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Yeah I find that big Western cos are actually micro-communisms or dictatorships. Tickles me pink to think about it.

Central planning is definitely a big thing in large companies.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy Unlikely, given his dependence on China - he'll stay quiet, just like Tim Cook does at Apple.

I rather suspect that Musk's definition of democracy aligns well with the Chinese government.

Why does it feel like I'm on reddit? what kind of nonsensical statement is this?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy Unlikely, given his dependence on China - he'll stay quiet, just like Tim Cook does at Apple.

I should have just left out the "Silicon Valley" part of that, true. Unionization of developers and technology workers is starting, but remains slow because unions are usually formed when the cost of speaking out becomes worth more than enduring the negatives and unreasonably low pay is usually one of the biggest issues for workers and we don't really have pay issues. Musk's approach to treating his employees as cogs…

I think anyone in the tech sector that wants to be apart of a union should go work for the government for a few years… then decide if that is what they really want…
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