inb4 the next iphone has no ports, and the excuse they give involves being waterproof or something
EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
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Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#162Can't Apple ship the phone with a USBC adapter and claim it is part of the phone?
Wouldn’t that be a bad faith interpretation of the directive?
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, doesn't still mean we should stagnate and be forced to use tech that is basically obsolete for a modern world's requirements.
Basically obsolete. As someone who uses a 7 yr old ipad, a 10 yr old windows phone and a 9 yr old Nexus 7 this is hot garbage
Just because you are using old tech with a connector that's prone to break and is not able to transfer data quickly doesn't mean everyone else has to.
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#164What I don't understand from Apple - they have already made the move to USB-C with laptops (ditching the Magsafe - that was way more practical than the USB-C connector), why resisting this much for the iPhone/iPad/etc? I understand that they have additional revenue streams by licensing lighting to accessories manufactures, but still...
> I understand that they have additional revenue streams by licensing lighting to accessories manufactures, but still...
Bingo. It's not the charging, it's the port itself. But the fee and lock-in also apply to data-using accessories.
Wired iPhone headphones aren't compatible with other phones, for example, and if you've purchased (e.g.) an expensive FLIR phone-mounted thermal camera, then you're less likely to jump to the Android/USB-C ecosystem at your next phone upgrade.
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#165It's just really not clear to me that regulators need to be mandating product design. I have no expectation, for example, that these same regulators will stay on top of this and revise it when USB-C stops being the preferred or best choice. Twenty years ago, we really DID have a snarl of competing and proprietary phone ports. It was a mess -- Blackberry chargers didn't work with Palm; most WinMo devices had their own…
Exactly. So silly. Plus Apple Watches have always been only charged via conductive, so it’s likely phones could have gone that way too within a short space of time if the lack of a data cable was deemed acceptable.
Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The fastest charging Android phones charge at >100 W, while wireless charging is currently at 10-15 W.
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#166What I don't understand from Apple - they have already made the move to USB-C with laptops (ditching the Magsafe - that was way more practical than the USB-C connector), why resisting this much for the iPhone/iPad/etc? I understand that they have additional revenue streams by licensing lighting to accessories manufactures, but still...
I'm sure they have other reasons, but as a user I much prefer the ergonomics of Lightning ports. They're smaller and simpler mechanically.
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article already hints at it, but lawmakers are not completely dense and allow for relatively easy amendments by the Commission. From the legislation [1]: > "With respect to radio equipment capable of being recharged via wired charging, the Commission is empowered to adopt delegated acts in accordance with Article 44 to amend Annex Ia in the light of technical progress, and to ensure the minimum common interoperab…
That's good but usually a new standard is phased in for one or two models to gain experience with it and then increasing numbers of phones use it. If you require all phones to use it from day one, you lose that. You'd at least need an "experimentation" mechanism where the commission allows manufacturers to build different devices that represent a few percent of their sales.
Phones have been doing USB charging for more than 10 years now. USB-C was designed based on the experience, and is what most phones use already.
Your point isn't wrong, but is is several years out of date: USB-C is already well past the few models to gain experience point and now moving to the late adopter part of the cycle. A phone without USB-C charging is as quaint as a phone with a rotary dial at this point.
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#168Can't Apple ship the phone with a USBC adapter and claim it is part of the phone?
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Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#169By the way, that's also how Tesla and all other cars have the same electric plug in EU(not the USB mandate but the car plug standardisation mandate). Of course, the first thing that comes to mind is what happens if better solutions are found. Will EU block innovation? That question is addressed in the Q&A: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_... In essence, they seem to believe that wired char…
IIRC it doesn't even exclude funny cables as long as the option remains to use an USB-C cable too
So if you really want I believe you could issue a double port
Clunky for smartphones maybe, but should be trivial for larger devices
Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices
#170What I don't understand from Apple - they have already made the move to USB-C with laptops (ditching the Magsafe - that was way more practical than the USB-C connector), why resisting this much for the iPhone/iPad/etc? I understand that they have additional revenue streams by licensing lighting to accessories manufactures, but still...
MagSafe is back on new models, and Lightning is physically thinner than USB-C.
A surprise for me was that lightning is only USB2 and one-sided, so at any moment it is plugged half of the pins is unused. Additionally it has exposed wires, in case of charger failure, USB-C provides a better protection.