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Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by popcorncowboy »

viraptor wrote: post #77
freediver wrote: post #75

Let's see... Under their proposed profit share, if they achieved DDG levels of traffic (100M queries/day, assuming $0.01 per query in net ads profit, that is $900k/day distributed among conservatively speaking 10M creators/sites) distribution would be $0.09 /day to an average content creator owning an average site. It does not sound much. If it was to magically fully replace Google tomorrow (10B queries/day) it would…

Pages are not created equal and averaging numbers here seems to be of little use. In practice the popularity is likely closer to some exponential-like distribution. Similar to music streaming services. Lots of people wouldn't get anything but they probably don't expect anything either.

If so, this quickly leads to the end-game of a dedicated industry that juices the ~~Ahrefs~~ Yep algo with bot armies and shady SEO tactics to push sites up the curve to capture this non-linear payout.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by popcorncowboy »

Wait, what? Ahrefs should know better than anyone that this is insane. Imagine explaining to the current SEO industry that Google would now be paying them based on how good they were at juicing the algo. Higher rankings, more clicks, *moar money*. It's bad enough already, this would be blood in the water for organic content.

I feel like I'm missing the trick here.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by jerrre »

eek2121 wrote: post #128
botsbreeder wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all content is equal. Good content require efforts, often efforts of a team. Youtube is a good example of how revenue share will work in practice. Some creators are getting millions there, some maybe hundreds. But as a consumer you can find good content for almost any topic you can think of. Revenue share amount from Youtube is a few times less than what Google search is making https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf…

Youtube is slowly killing itself with abusive revenue practices but ignore THAT bombshell for a moment and focus on why you are wrong. Hint: it actually has almost nothing to do with the fact that a large portion of internet users don't like videos.

It would be a lot more valuable if you just explain your thoughts instead of creating a guessing game

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by popcorncowboy »

Havoc wrote: post #65
thyrox wrote: post #12

Ahrefs is the biggest reason why Google results are so bad nowadays. While they call it SEO, this site gives you the very metrics which every so called SEOer uses to game Google search results (and it's very good tbh). I hope they are ready to face the seo monster they have created and yep can't be gamed as easily.

>this site gives you the very metrics which every so called SEOer uses to game Google search results Seems a little harsh. People would be trying to game the search results with or without the metrics. They're just selling a shovel though. The ad industry and its money is the root cause behind the gold rush, not the shovel seller.

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Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by SyneRyder »

I was excited to see this, because I often wondered why Ahrefs didn't try making a search engine out of their index. Unfortunately, the results are really terrible, in specific ways:

* One of my websites is not showing up at all, even though it's a site I've added into Ahrefs and that they crawl every month to send me monthly reports. That site has an Ahrefs Domain Rating 20x higher than my other websites, so it isn't being omitted for reasons of obscurity or quality.

* Yep seems to be processing backlinks in the wrong direction. If I do an ego-search, instead of listing sites that mention my name, it lists sites that I have linked out from my own blog.

* Pure spam results, like random casino websites in the middle of search results. Or is that Yep's business model?

* Entirely random results. Not idea why the Fox homepage would show up on an ego-search for myself.

But Yep's results were better than what I got with Brave Search, so they might still be onto something.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by rickhaasteren »

wonderbore wrote: post #149
rickhaasteren wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was SEO 15 years ago. If you think that still works, you’ll be disappointed.

I don’t think it’s how it works because I see that crap daily in footers, especially in the travel industry. Open any hotel listing on TripAdvisor and count the “[something] in [location]” links in the footer.

“I saw some hotel websites with location links in their footer, so that must be what the SEO industry is all about”

Sure.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by g_p »

jamesfisher wrote: post #157

Why are all Google Search alternatives founded on gimmicks? Where is the startup with a straightforward pitch like "better results than Google, $5/mo"?

The closest I have seen to what you're describing is https://kagi.com, which seems to have just gone to open beta. A few commenters have mentioned it in this thread.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by Mortiffer »

Jesus has no one in this thread ever build a legitimate product online and tried to get noticed by legitimate customers that will get value from the tech you build?

SEO is something you just have to do, can't get around it for some products. Some of it you can think of like how you have to follow bullshit conventions to make a resume easy to understand for recruiters. And others is just plain getting your name out there.

The competition around black hat SEO and spam content is disgusting but what can you do, just gotta try to get more links. Here my analogy would be how we all complain about inflation and housing prices but then when you wanna move to SF or Seattle you will still participate in the madness and bit 100k over asking price.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#170

Post by weinzierl »

There was a time when for every new search engine that came out after about my first five searches, I was like:

Nah, that isn't gonna cut it.

Then DuckDuckGo came along and I immediately felt that it was going to be good enough for me - and it has been for many years and still is.

Now with Kagi and Yep it is the first time after DuckDuckGo that I feel the same. Playing around with both of them for a while, I think they'd be both good enough[1] for my purposes.

I'm happy with DuckDuckGo and it has almost[2] completely replaced Google for me, but I'm also relieved that now we seem to have viable alternatives for the first time now. I hope more are coming.

[1] When it comes to the quality of the results, both are on par in my opinion. What differentiates Yep from its competitors is that it is based on an independent index, which I think makes it interesting from a technological standpoint. I won't comment on their respective business models, because I have not thought much about that...

[2]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19947588

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16040833

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