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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

> I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. Like, say, tipping at a nice restaurant. You may not like the food, but it seems others did, and they want to demonstrate that to the chef.

Not a great analogy: while almost everyone else at the restaurant works for tips, the chef doesn't.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

It's very likely that the original promise ("upgrade to version 2.0 will be completely free") was a huge factor in 2.0 shipping delay: Allan would need to invest a lot of effort to ship the new version to get only marginal return, as TextMate penetration of the relevant market was already high at the time the promise was made. Charging for 2.0 would seem like a breach of contract for people who only bought TextMate 1…

> But for people who thought that $60 is a fair price for 1.x (I myself belong to this group, and so seem Marco), it's just a promise of a generous gift that was taken away.

But kind of a bummer for people who considered the $60 as $30 for 1.x, $30 for 2.x.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do). Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it secon…

> Hate these elitist comments >I have been on and off for a while,I missed when Jersey Shore hit HN.

Shoot yourself in the foot much?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

You answered your own question - "Let's ignore entirely whether that's a contract violation and just focus on whether it's fair."

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do). Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it secon…

> Hate these elitist comments >I have been on and off for a while,I missed when Jersey Shore hit HN. Shoot yourself in the foot much?

I am not being elitist here (I so saw this type of comment coming my way). When did asking when a trend hit a community became derogatory to that trend?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #67

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Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do). Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it secon…

Nobody forced these people you mention to "venture into iOS platform", its their own damn money and they can do what they want.

Stop whining about the purcheses you make. If you can pay for a mac more than your salary, you sure as hell can pay for $100 for a text-editor.

I have some really nice snake oil here for you, only $199! With a promise you will get another batch in 10 years for now!

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do). Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it secon…

Nobody forced these people you mention to "venture into iOS platform", its their own damn money and they can do what they want. Stop whining about the purcheses you make. If you can pay for a mac more than your salary, you sure as hell can pay for $100 for a text-editor. I have some really nice snake oil here for you, only $199! With a promise you will get another batch in 10 years for now!

They are not whining about purchases, they are expressing grievances if the seller chances the terms of the license which they purchase.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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I think you mean "harder to learn" .

Nope! Harder to use . It's basically impossible to discover new functionality in vim without reading technical documentation for it, whereas in Textmate I assume (having never used it) that feature is accessible using a mouse. TM is more usable than vim.

1) "discover new functionality" is a "learn", not a "use".

2) Vim can have menus too if you want them, and a mouse to go with them...

3) I learn new things about vim all the time without reading the documentation. A massive community makes that quite easy.

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