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Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #147

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Hell let’s make selling anything about me illegal: my voice, my image, my ideas, my bodily fluids, especially my time and effort. Then I can finally live off the allowance our caring government will generously offer.

Here, how about a compromise. They can have my data but they have to pay minimum wage for it.

I like that -- Guaranteed minimum income for anyone willing to sign up for big-tech free services. I think that is an experiment worth conducting.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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OsmAnd: https://osmand.net/ - open source, offline maps. Really great for outdoor sports, and has profiles for running, biking, skiing, etc, way better than Google Maps for that. Driving routes often give the same route as Google Maps for me. Some things are better on Google Maps though, such as live traffic and address lookup, so it depends what you want to use it for.

And supports off-line navigation IIRC.

It does and though it uses a lot of storage, that's a great feature to have.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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I'm pretty sure this is to improve the crowd-sourced database of WIFI AP's.

Google was involved with Skyhook for a while and there's no reason to think they stopped using similar tech. It's really that simple: war drive to build a map of AP to location, remove any that seem to move around (ie trains), and then you can use the database to map an AP sighting to location in the client. Trilateration on signal strength for extra points.

Source: worked with them.

Ref: https://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/court-of-appeals/...

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

"You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for"

Microsoft lost the case to be able to directly control the user's browser experience:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

> Google are just open about the use of data

Will. Never. Happen. GLS is dystopian hellscape tracking masquerading under the fig leaf of "anonymity". Its technical details, pretty much a wet dream of the world's spy agencies, will never be revealed.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

> at what point are we asking too much for free?

I am a paying customer for a bunch of other Google products.

We’ve also seen with custom domain grandfathering out that they’re not out of options regarding their services terms.

They choose to make Maps free, and there is no option to pay for Maps outside of the API.

“Don’t complain it’s free.” is not a valid argument when it is a revenue making product from a for profit product company. It’s their choice, not ours.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

>Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, This part of your comment makes no sense to me - how do Apple users not have choice in maps apps...?

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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> I immediately installed Organic Maps, and I'm sure there are loads of others as an option. Here are OSM -based maps applications for Android .[0,1] Not all OSM-based Android apps listed on OpenStreetMap Wiki, so check out also maps apps in various F-Droid repos.[2] Also here are maps apps for Symbian[3,4] and Maemo[5]. For other platforms there are also a lot of other apps.[6] [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wik…

Does anyone have a favorite that has worked well for them?

OsmAnd+ has worked great for us for several years.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #74

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On a localised basis, it is perhaps not so bad, however at a higher level, it allows you to piece together a huge amount of info, including grouping members of households etc. Honestly, it's not a great piece of info to be leaking, if you value your privacy.

That requires processing the data in ways that would have to be disclosed as per law.

Or alternatively, process the data anyway, make tens of billions of dollars from it, and pay a 2 billion dollar fine if the regulators find out.

The fine is just another cost of doing business ;)

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

Is it asking to get it for free, or is it regulating how you can monetize it? I don't think the argument is that Google maps has to be free, it's that they can't make you pay for it with your personal data.
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