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Re: Music subscriber market shares Q2 2021

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Post by sofixa »

paxys wrote: post #11
jasode wrote: post #9

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>It is not free with Prime, just $2 cheaper There's a free tier Amazon Music of 2 million songs included with Prime membership. That's the free music streaming my friend was using for 5+ years. She then upgraded to Amazon Music Unlimited for extra $80/year. Can't tell if the article's 13% for Amazon Music is counting the free tier users.

In that case every Prime member is a subscriber, and that number should be a lot larger.

Nah, I'm a Prime subscriber and get the occasional email from Amazon that i have an unused advantage from my subscription and should enable Amazon Music.

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Post by wodenokoto »

wwweston wrote: post #154
dole wrote: post #140

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# of Streams to make US $1: YouTube Music: 1,250 Pandora: 752 Spotify: 315 Amazon Music: 249 Deezer: 156 Apple Music: 128 Tidal: 78 Napster: 53 Source: https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.66835/title.t-pain-disrupts-mus... Original source: https://twitter.com/TPAIN/status/1476032631255060490 (not sure why this link isn't working)

> Pandora: 752 Some streaming services are net-equivalents of terrestrial radio, where the user selects the rough genre but doesn't drive the program. Pandora's a good example. Some streaming services are meant to be in-the-cloud replacements for your record collection, where you select the program. Spotify is like this; Pandora is not. Their payouts should probably be different. > YouTube Music: 1,250 That's astonis…

YouTubes low payout is because they consider themselves a radio station provider and not an alacarte music streaming service.

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Post by notreallyserio »

travelbyphone wrote: post #156
notreallyserio wrote: post #143

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The UI on Apple Music is atrocious. It isn't possible to go back a track when using their radio mode, nor is it possible to even see what the previous song was in case you decided you want to hear more by the artist or whatever. Truly awful design.

Use the bottom right icon on the “now playing screen” to go back on your played history

IIRC that shows the history of tracks you've played from your own playlists or when you play specific albums and songs, but not if you're using the radio feature (where you start playback by pressing the center and not the bottom right of the tile).

Re: Music subscriber market shares Q2 2021

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Post by Ch4otic »

zora_goron wrote: post #95
hbn wrote: post #56

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Spotify is a nonstarter for me because I can't upload my own music. I don't want to be beholden to whatever they decide I can listen to, and there's lots of music I want to listen to that's not in any streaming catalogue. edit: note I say "upload," not syncing local files to my phone. I want a built-in streaming catalogue + cloud music locker that all my devices stream from, not something I have to manually transfer…

You can import local files to Spotify [0] and if you download the playlist for offline use on your mobile device, they'll be synced over from your desktop [1]. [0] https://support.spotify.com/us/article/local-files/ [1] https://community.spotify.com/t5/iOS-iPhone-iPad/Syncing-Loc...

The problem with Spotify's Local Files feature is that the music you add cannot be added to Liked Songs. They must be in a playlist in order to be synced across.

As someone who listens to their music by just tapping shuffle on Liked Songs, this is a no-go.

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Post by jhoechtl »

Nextgrid wrote: post #151
jhoechtl wrote: post #129

I am using a music streaming service which is totally free and offers me genres without any subscription lock-in. Additionally it doesn't track my listening habits and thus enables me to discover new music as I am not in a listening bubble. I like that streaming service a lot

The radio?

Yes ...

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Post by mosiuerbarso »

hbn wrote: post #56
joshstrange wrote: post #39

I am all in on Apple and only a few dollars away from the Apple One bundle being worth it for me but I just don't like Apple Music. The UI is just too difficult to use and it feels slower than it should be, definitely slower than Spotify. While I have no love for Spotify's podcast ventures and dislike them trying to push me to listen to podcasts on their platform, I do love it for music and it "Just Works". Also I ca…

Spotify is a nonstarter for me because I can't upload my own music. I don't want to be beholden to whatever they decide I can listen to, and there's lots of music I want to listen to that's not in any streaming catalogue. edit: note I say "upload," not syncing local files to my phone. I want a built-in streaming catalogue + cloud music locker that all my devices stream from, not something I have to manually transfer…

Have you considered Jriver cloudplay: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Cloudplay It's not free but Jriver is a pretty good media player for local files. The one downside of Jriver is their android/apple apps are a bit crap, but there are 3rd party alternatives.

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

gilrain wrote: post #124
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #28

Apple Music only has significant usage because of their anti competitive behavior. All apps on the App Store have to go through rigorous review and are restricted to Apples discretion in being granted access to OS features while Apple themselves use undocumented features to compete as a platform. Try hooking up AirPods to your iPhone and do nothing else. The Lock Screen changes to have an Apple Music player with a ra…

Have you tried deleting Apple Music from your iPhone? Should solve all your issues...

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Re: Music subscriber market shares Q2 2021

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

__david__ wrote: post #87
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #28

Apple Music only has significant usage because of their anti competitive behavior. All apps on the App Store have to go through rigorous review and are restricted to Apples discretion in being granted access to OS features while Apple themselves use undocumented features to compete as a platform. Try hooking up AirPods to your iPhone and do nothing else. The Lock Screen changes to have an Apple Music player with a ra…

I just tried this and my lock screen shows me 4 thumbnails that I know are my most played songs/playlists but the main app and play button are the video that I most recently watched (and paused) in firefox. I know when I listen to postcasts using Overcast (since I like their UI better than Apple's), it shows up in the lock screen. This is reliable for me. It also becomes the default thing to play if I hook up to my C…

A "Weird bug or edge case" is rarely the case with these upsells. There's a lot of marketing and research budget that goes into designing these flows and equally tonnes of data behind observing the behavior.

That precisely is my point. The behavior on my end is strange as well where it happens at times i'm commuting and other times, when the phone is still, nothing. Where can i go and switch this off in settings for Apple Music short of killing the app and uninstalling?

Isn't it strange that all app behavior and interaction with the OS for apps that aren't owned by Apple need to be predictable and controlled through standard settings while Apple Music has hidden access to over ride these behaviors?

I can write paragraphs about similar behavior on the News app and other upsell services. When a platform can directly push apps without competition to your device that they don't need to compete with anyone for installs for, that is one thing, having access to undocumented APIs is another, having the ability to plow all revenue from their apps right back in without the 30% cut or other restrictive practices they impose on their direct competitors is yet another.

Either there should be transparency or there should be restrictions on the way internal Apple apps are allowed to compete in the marketplace. A random product manager at Cupertino should not have more power and clout over what apps get pushed to my phone without consent or dialogs and upsells get thrown in the UX compared to what is possible for public apps to do.

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Post by joshstrange »

notreallyserio wrote: post #163
travelbyphone wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use the bottom right icon on the “now playing screen” to go back on your played history

IIRC that shows the history of tracks you've played from your own playlists or when you play specific albums and songs, but not if you're using the radio feature (where you start playback by pressing the center and not the bottom right of the tile).

I think this is indicative of the whole Apple Music experience. They are like 80% there but that last 20% is what makes a product feel polished and easy to use. It's like they half-implement things or get them to a state and say "good enough" and never look back. Really that describes most Apple-created apps. They really want to create an app, release it, and move on. They don't understand these things need constant improvements and even apps that do get some love only get updates once a year (usually) meaning that /at best/ they jump frog the competition once a year then fall behind almost immediately. A lot of their apps don't even getting in spitting range of 3rd party apps right after an update.

Like their new paid podcast thing was like 5-10 years late and will probably see 1 update a year at best.

Re: Music subscriber market shares Q2 2021

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Post by e40 »

kenhwang wrote: post #134
e40 wrote: post #130

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I'm curious what UI changes you're talking about. I can't remember the last time there was a UI change, and I've been using them for 5+ years. In fact, as I was reading these comments I was thinking they've been totally stagnant UI-wise, and the only hate I for the iOS app is the pop ups for events, etc. I make a point to never read any text in them and dismiss immediately.

The big one pinning podcast recommendations to the home screen above the fold with no option remove it. Same with unremovable "recommended" playlists that mix music with podcasts. Podcast settings are at the top of the list in settings too. But because podcasts are treated equally to music on every page and user backlash to remove podcasts, they added [Music] and [Podcasts & Shows] filter buttons to the header of tho…

OK, I ignore podcasts in Spotify. I use Pocket Casts.

You're right, there should be an option to remove/move it.

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