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Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Scotland also has a very similar baby box, introduced a few years ago due to the success of the Finnish one. https://www.mygov.scot/baby-box Content of the box: https://www.parentclub.scot/baby-box Study on impact of the box: https://www.gov.scot/publications/baby-box-evaluation/pages/...

In Sweden new parents get a few pieces of pine and an Allen key.

This approach has been successfully exported all around the world, wonderfully packaged as compact 3D puzzles.

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Being a father of two and seeing how much money and decisions goes into buying baby stuff and thinking how struggling family might find it inaccessible it makes me cry to read “give all children in Finland, no matter what background they're from, an equal start in life.” Other countries give welfare benefits in form of money but that can be spent on things like addictions, in this case giving the set of necessary car…

> Other countries give welfare benefits in form of money but that can be spent on things like addictions Why is it that when discussing welfare benefits the topic of them being spent on addictions is often brought up. If an addiction is a problem, treat the addiction instead of treating welfare recipients as children. How pissed would you be if your employer dictated how you spent your wages because certain activitie…

> How pissed would you be if your employer dictated how you spent your wages because certain activities went against their beliefs.

A drug addiction is a disease, not a belief. Spending money that should be used for necessities on drugs is not a belief, it is a symptom of a disease and should be regarded as such.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Scotland also has a very similar baby box, introduced a few years ago due to the success of the Finnish one. https://www.mygov.scot/baby-box Content of the box: https://www.parentclub.scot/baby-box Study on impact of the box: https://www.gov.scot/publications/baby-box-evaluation/pages/...

There are ~3.75 million babies born in the US each year [1]. If each baby box costs ~200 USD [2] the country could supply baby boxes for all babies with an annual outlay of ~750 million USD.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29646674

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Apparently in America it can cost tens of thousands of dollars to give birth in a hospital. Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. We don't know how fortunate we are here in the UK with the NHS.

I had a child relatively recently in the UK, and we had to pay for many visits and scans that anywhere else in Europe would have been free. For instance you never see a gynaecologist unless something very very bad is going on. If you want the same level of care you would receive in Italy or Germany, you end up spending 2-3K£. Probably better than the US, but given the taxes we pay, I’d expect something more. I’d rath…

> Probably better than the US, but given the taxes we pay, I’d expect something more. I’d rather pay half the taxes I pay now and spend 10K£ to give birth

UK tax burden is nowhere near double that of the US overall, so that's probably not a real choice.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Being a father of two and seeing how much money and decisions goes into buying baby stuff and thinking how struggling family might find it inaccessible it makes me cry to read “give all children in Finland, no matter what background they're from, an equal start in life.” Other countries give welfare benefits in form of money but that can be spent on things like addictions, in this case giving the set of necessary car…

I would appreciate this baby box even as a parent fortunate enough to afford the material goods it contains. A large part of its value lies in the time and effort saved and the psychological comfort in knowing I haven’t forgotten anything essential.

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On the same subject, I only recently came to know that "Kraamzorg" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraamzorg ) is not or hardly offered in other countries. When you become parents (whether that is for the first or the nth time), a specialized nurse will visit your home for 24-80 hours spread over multiple days to help with anything required. If it's your first, she/he will mainly focus on teaching (how to bathe a bab…

In Korea there are birthcare centers where mothers can go for two weeks to a month to rest and recuperate after delivering a baby, and nurses will care for the baby and teach the mothers how to care for the baby. Of course food, laundry etc are taken care of by the centers. Hospitals offer that service as well, but bed spaces are typically more limited in hospitals.

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Nursing will do that job automatically.

This claim is made often enough that child birth care in the Netherlands specifically informs all new parents that breastfeeding is not a good contraceptive. It may work for some, but it's not a guarantee at all.

> child birth care in the Netherlands specifically informs all new parents that breastfeeding is not a good contraceptive

But that's a lie. Breastfeeding is an excellent contraceptive, more effective than almost any other method we know. (Hormonal implants, which can't be misused, will be more effective. But only slightly more effective, because breastfeeding is already so effective that there's very little room for improvement.)

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That's not the case for all babies, imho they come with different habits right from the start. I have ~10 kids in my closest family, all with different sleeping habits.

I would think it's not the case for the majority of babies even. Some parents do keep the baby constantly at their side when sleeping and some are doing that weird co-sleeping thing with a raised cot right next to their own, but most parents (in modern societies where cots are used) seem to just do the usual: give the child their own place to sleep and let them develop a healthy sleeping habit right from the start. W…

I'm from Sweden, having a young baby sleep the night in a separate room is almost unheard of over here! How do you handle the first time with multiple nightly feedings?

We have 3 kids, we've had our babies between us in our bed for the first two weeks or so, thereafter a bedside crib for about 3 months until they've outgrown it, then switched over to a separate IKEA crib, still in our bedroom. We've then moved them over to their own bedrooms somewhere around their first birthday.

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This claim is made often enough that child birth care in the Netherlands specifically informs all new parents that breastfeeding is not a good contraceptive. It may work for some, but it's not a guarantee at all.

> child birth care in the Netherlands specifically informs all new parents that breastfeeding is not a good contraceptive But that's a lie. Breastfeeding is an excellent contraceptive, more effective than almost any other method we know. (Hormonal implants, which can't be misused, will be more effective. But only slightly more effective, because breastfeeding is already so effective that there's very little room for…

Not only the Dutch health services disagree, also the British NHS has this in their public info:

> You can get pregnant as little as 3 weeks after the birth of a baby, even if you're breastfeeding and your periods haven't started again.

> Unless you want to get pregnant again, it's important to use some kind of contraception every time you have sex after giving birth, including the first time.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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On the same subject, I only recently came to know that "Kraamzorg" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraamzorg ) is not or hardly offered in other countries. When you become parents (whether that is for the first or the nth time), a specialized nurse will visit your home for 24-80 hours spread over multiple days to help with anything required. If it's your first, she/he will mainly focus on teaching (how to bathe a bab…

Its fantastic, indeed. But you need to insure yourself if you want the costs to be reimbursed, and its never free to insure yourself outside the basisverzekering (basic insurance package, the mandatory default which has become less and less over the years). Our first one was due in February, second in September. Both came roughly on time. But you start your insurance package in December (before new year) so for second we had to pay ourselves cause was conceived in January, while first one was 7 months in so a very easy choice.
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