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Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Or... maybe HN is composed of different people with different viewpoints. People are more motivated to comment when they're upset about something, so it ends up looking like everyone here hates everything big tech does, when it may be that a small number of people hate decision X, a small number of people hate decision Y, and most people either like them or don't care. You often hear complaints that big tech drives p…

> Or... maybe HN is composed of different people with different viewpoints. A useful concept for people to remember as it applies everywhere. Particularly as we get drawn into tribal politics, it would be better for people to remember that the opposition is not uniform and consists of many different viewpoints. For someone who wants to be divisive, it is trivial to cherry pick examples of bad behavior ("hypocritical"…

Why pretend? If you genuinely believe it, the confirmation bias is likely to keep you from thinking about it enough to assess whether it's true. (Do you regularly re-assess whether the sky is blue, or whether you're wearing clothes? It's just there, background knowledge.)

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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The facial recognition feature is how I figured out someone was doxxing and harassing me on their page. Getting the notification that it thinks I appeared in a photo they had ripped from my FB profile was the tip off. I have mixed feelings.

HN is bizarre sometimes. When this feature first appeared, everyone acted like it was the coming of the Antichrist. Now it’s going away and people have “mixed feelings”. I think people just love to hate big tech no matter what they’re doing.

Utilitarian arguments are a bad base for a discussion that is primarily about ethics.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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So sad that we can't have nice things. I like the feature that automatically tags people in pictures. Sometimes I have trouble remembering people's names (not face blindness or similar, just regular trouble I guess). I would love to have smart glasses that show the name of someone I've met before but don't quite remember. But alas, our society being what it is people will abuse facial recognition, so I can't have tha…

It would be fine if that information stayed with you.

The fact that it is pumped around from service to service is what causes the problems.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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But now everyone else knows, too. That's not such a great feature.

Not if you set Facebook to require your approval for all tags. Then you know before everyone else.

Which in turn requires you to have a facebook account.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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> The change affects more than a third of Facebook’s daily users who had facial recognition turned on for their accounts, according to the company. I'm surprise the number is that low. Wasn't enabling this a default? > That meant they received alerts when new photos or videos of them were uploaded to the social network. The feature had also been used to flag accounts that might be impersonating someone else... That's…

I turned it off because the "default" use case seemed rather to be to boost their engagement because someone you know socially would upload a picture of something they did that happened to have you in it. That would lead to you being tagged and getting notified, presumably to talk about how much fun you all had or whatever it was. Unfortunately it's pretty useless to ask people to not upload pictures that you're pres…

Everything in FB is centered around the use case of boosting their engagement. That's pretty much the only metric they steer by.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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A legitimate question I’ve always had when we read such announcements is how can we be certain they’re actually doing whatever they’re claiming / planning to do. Unlike software /OS modifications, it’s not feasible to somehow reverse engineer FB’s backend and find out if anything unusual is happening. At least without any attempt of compromising it. Considering how powerful these orgs are, with low probability of fac…

Nowadays there's enough dissent inside FB itself (according to news articles), that if they lied about this, someone from the inside will probably leak/whistleblow about it...

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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But their facial recognition is not opt-in. You cannot prevent other people from uploading photos of you then tagging your face in them, training Facebook's facial recognition to your face even if you consciously never upload your image a single time.

You can only be suggested as a name for someone else's photo if you've turned face recognition on. "If you’d like other people to see tag suggestions for you, you’ll need to turn on your face recognition setting." So you need to opt in to it to let others tag you.

But how does it know that "This is slownews45's face, so don't show any auto-tag recommendation for it."..?

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#170
Getting rid of its facial recognition system is a good step, but lest people either forget or miss...

  Although Facebook plans to delete more than one billion facial recognition templates, which are digital scans of facial features, by December,
it will not eliminate the software that powers the system,

  which is an advanced algorithm called DeepFace.
The company has also not ruled out incorporating facial recognition technology into future products,

  Mr. Grosse said.
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