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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #132

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Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

This is absolutely a problem on some Macs too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28304628

Does it void your warranty, though?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #75

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

> Problem is that hibernation is slooow

It isn't. It can add just some seconds (probably less than 5 on fast SSDs, even less if you don't have too much RAM). If people can't wait this little they need to have their lives / jobs / mental health fixed rather than add more orders of complexity (with according increase in problems) into the computers.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #67

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I just can't understand how people put up with not being able to control what they primary machines are doing. For that reason my primary work machine can currently only be Linux. I have Windows, but this one is only for stuff that is incompatible with Linux. I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. Which is quit…

I hate it too. I’m not just saying that, I ran Linux as my only desktop for 3 years and exclusively AOSP phones for over 4.

Ultimately, however, some of us have stuff to do and can’t spend our entire time tinkering to maintain basic functionality. There are only so many hours in a day.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have a XPS with Linux, closing the lid does almost nothing but turn the screenlock on. I always turn it off, reboot is in 2/seconds so it's no problem. Great laptop, had it for 7 years still faster than 2020 XPS with windows.

That's just misconfigured then. The system sends a signal to the OS. The OS is then free to do whatever. If you have configured to screenlock then it will screenlock.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #161
post #132

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This is absolutely a problem on some Macs too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28304628

Does it void your warranty, though?

No, because for macs it’s a bug, while for dells it’s literally the engineered behaviour of the device

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #81
post #67

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I just can't understand how people put up with not being able to control what they primary machines are doing. For that reason my primary work machine can currently only be Linux. I have Windows, but this one is only for stuff that is incompatible with Linux. I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. Which is quit…

> I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). > That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. I have a T440 which runs quite hot, where did you look for sources of power usage (beyond powertop) ?

I run Ubuntu on a X1 Extreme Gen 2 for a while now, no problems whatsoever. The discrete nVidia GPU is as power hungry, and running as hot during gaming, as it did under Windows (so nether a big surprise nor a real problem, anyone remember how harsh Battletech was on GPUs initially?). Battery live, depending on use (and excluding gaming) is around 4 hours (didn't have less then 3+).

The heat issue is mitigated somewhat by putting the machine on some kind of stand to have air pass underneath it. That being said, even under Windows the machine went to sleep just fine, also woke up again. If anything, that works better now under Linux.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #75

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Fedora doesn't even create swap partitions anymore, so you have to enable that first to enable hibernation, enabling it requires you to create a swap-partition, change things in systemd and meddle with the grub-configuration: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/fedora-hibernate.html

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #39

> With regards to transporting your laptop, you must first turn the laptop OFF This has been a problem for already quite long. I remember my very old laptop overheating if being put in the backpack in Standby mode. Nowadays I in fact don't just turn laptops Off the default way. I go and disable the "fast start up" (Control Panel - Power Options - Choose what the power buttons do) to make sure the computer gets turnt…

> laptop overheating if being put in the backpack I killed a macbook air exactly like this. It just decided not to shutdown like usual. Usually I'd put it on sleep mode, or just close the lid and it is fine, but it only took one time for it not to work properly to find the insides of my backpack like a sauna.

Is there even a way to make sure a MacBook is actually turt really off?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #58
post #39

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> laptop overheating if being put in the backpack I killed a macbook air exactly like this. It just decided not to shutdown like usual. Usually I'd put it on sleep mode, or just close the lid and it is fine, but it only took one time for it not to work properly to find the insides of my backpack like a sauna.

> It just decided not to shutdown like usual. This happened once or twice with Windows laptops for me (Lenovo and Asus); but each time the laptop survived. Was yours a fanless model?

How can a fan help when fresh air is nowhere for it to suck from? I even suspect fan-less models may be better prepared for such scenario.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#170
post #52

XPS should be "developer laptops". They even come with Linux. So I tried two. Never experienced a more faulty keyboard on a computer in my life. Hanging keys, firmware updates that never really fixed the problem, support forums full of same questions. I'll never buy one again. Too bad as I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled".

“ I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled"” Look at Lenovo maybe :)

Got one from them now. But not a Linux pre-installed model, sadly.
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