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Are you serious? 400K definitely makes you rich. As if you do that for 10 years you have 4M dollars, 20 years? $8M I get that COL lowers that, but if you are making 400K you're not renting.
If you make 400K after taxes and don't spend any of it, you'd have 4M after 10 years...
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Not OP, but the removal of the SALT deduction hurt.
Can you expand on that please?
That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…
That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…
Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know
My effective tax rate between state and federal is something like 55% before including sales taxes.
These Billionaires find ways to pay basically nothing in tax because their wealth comes from capital gains and not from RSU + salary compensation which are taxed as normal salary.
The bulk of the burden of new tax increases will fall on people like me who make more than 400k but make it in easy to tax ways instead of changing the law and making it easier to heavily tax people in the 100M/yr+ category
These aren't complaints, just facts.
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I suspect the more hands-on tools by which law and order is enforced such as asset seizure, 24/7 monitoring, discreditation, and prison time could be the motivation for otherwise tax averse entities to transparently contribute their exact tax proportion.
It still won't work unless the whole world agrees to do it simultaneously. A classic game theory problem, the more some countries agree on it, the more benefit to those countries that don't do it. Because worst case, the rich entity can flee, or renounce citizenship and buy citizenship where the tax climate is more favorable. With the amount of money we are speaking about, you can buy anything. Each and every country…
There is quite a bit of progress among rich nations, which is indeed why the article mentioned many of the individuals come from corrupt nations.
The issue, therefore, may not be so much of 'tax havens' but of 'corrupt systems that allow for tax havens'.
I don't think Bezos has a pile of cash secretly offshore.
That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…
If the politicians actually wanted to tax the rich then they'd be closing loopholes, not raising the marginal rates.
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> I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes Fwiw we feel like middle class but we’re really in the top 5% or higher. We’re the rich people these taxes and politicians talk about. The ultra rich/wealthy are a red herring, there’s only a few 10k of them of them. Only 614 people are billionaires. 7 figure income (salary) puts you in top 0.35% ... that’s 1,120,000 Americans. Not a whole lot. edit: top 10% star…
Being a software engineer in a EU country, you're definitely not a classically rich person. In USA, maybe? In EU not so much. There's so many professions (quite common at that) that earn more, or even much more than us.
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I understood parent's point to be that we obviously can't trust them to do better than this. In any case it seems clear that this is exactly why high tax rates hurt the middle class more than the rich. And everyone know it, and yet it persists.
Typically it's because taxing the super rich wouldn't be enough, so you tax a broad swath of the population. Billionaires (put together) in the US hold something similar to 1 year of federal tax receipts, for example. Tax them into the ground and you get 1 year of revenue.
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The lower the tax - the more money will stay and will be reinvested into the local economy. That should be easy to understand. Just as robbing productive people with taxes is not going to work.
>The lower the tax - the more money will stay and will be reinvested into the local economy. The less progressive the tax and the less it's properly enforced the more inequality will occur. Poor and middleclass more effectively stimulate the economy with an equal amount of consumption simply due to the nature of what they spend it on and their quantity. >Just as robbing productive people with taxes is not going to wo…
"The lower the tax - the more money will stay and will be reinvested into the local economy."
Start here. Less taxes == more money is staying and reinvested in the local economy for the good of everyone.
Bonus: more money start coming in from other jurisdictions that are abusing their productive citizens and businesses with exorbitant taxes.