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Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by Terretta »

ForHackernews wrote: post #129
pram wrote: post #124

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This is kind of reductive. You could ask the same for nomad, mesos, and lots of other things. It wasn't just swarm vs k8s

How is it reductive? I do ask the same question for all those other systems, or the meta-question: "How is it that the bloated monstrosity of Kubernetes somehow became the de-facto container orchestration tool?" Is this just sysadmins buying themselves job security?

On the contrary, nobody was thinking of the sysadmins (until we injected the notion of Operators rather late).

Devs chose K8s, I think the evangelism phrase was “developer dopamine”. It felt like the Rails of DIY infra, where devs could inherit an opinioned pattern for doing n>1.

There’s still decades of resentment of devs being gated by IT.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by anandrm »

filleokus wrote: post #76

It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…

IMO docker did an amazing paradigm shift of many apps from heavy weight VMs to Micro Services,lot in CI/CD etc .. But all of them dnt make sense without an orchestration platform . Just like how a standalone VM does not make any commercial sense. This has been a question for long time about their revenue model. I guess they did try with compose , swarm , etc but the space was already taken by Kubernetes . I dnt know docker as company would be profitable ..

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by rusk »

tw04 wrote: post #141
Hexcles wrote: post #133

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I think that's Jerry Yang.

facepalm You are correct, I will update. That's what I get for trying to remember names from 12 years ago.

Ah hence the asterisk- I keep looking for a footnote!

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by cletus »

qeternity wrote: post #157
cletus wrote: post #147

I really see this as trying to buy enough time for someone to rescue the investors, maybe the founders and definitely not the employees with an acquihire. Docker is a good example of a company that (IMHO) should never have raised so much capital. It just doesn't have the moat to justify the valuation. HN has posted several submissions (eg [1]). Containers aren't new. Anyone can do it. So where is the moat? Possibilit…

While I am normally critical of the unicorn pizza-kitchen-on-wheels type of excess, I think this is only true in hindsight and has a lot to do with Docker lacking a commercially minded founder. Open source isn’t a business model. There are very synergistic business models that go hand in hand with OSS but that distinction is important. Github does not really have a defensible moat. I think the network effects there a…

Github is a good comparison here because obviously anyone can run a Git server but Github did create a lot of value adds and the UI helped build a network effect for the ease os use, cloning, PRs and so on.

What's more, Github became the engine for dependency management. Go springs to mind here. I actually thought this was a terrible system (eg putting repo owner names in import strings) but it speaks to ubiquity of Github.

But what are Docker images? Maybe a few hundred lines of Dockerscript at the end of the day.

Losing in orchestration I think was the obvious big fail. But they had an uphill battle here anyway because you really need to integrate such a thing with cloud platforms.

I'm really not sure what Docker could've done differently here.

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Post by KronisLV »

ncallaway wrote: post #85
random5634 wrote: post #72

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I control who sets cookies on my machine. We all do. Don't like them? Block them. What is gained, SERIOUSLY, by these stupid pop-ups? I'm serious, has anyone analyzed this? It really shows how the heavy hand of govt has ZERO cost/benefit constraint or analysis. Browsing on phones is particularly painful. I wish we could just set an accept all cookies header in our browser and govt would let these websites then stop d…

> What is gained, SERIOUSLY, by these stupid pop-ups? I appreciate the ability to allow "required" cookies, but reject all other cookies. I agree that I would absolutely prefer an HTTP header for cookie preferences instead of pop-ups. But the new cookie popups add some value to me, in letting me allow session authentication cookies, and reject all others. An outright block on all local cookies tends to break authenti…

Why not have a setting or two in Firefox/Chrome/Safari menu:

  - reject all cookies
  - allow only required cookies
  - allow all cookies
And never to have to fall into 100s of different dark patterns by people who have spent dozens of hours coming up with solutions that would basically trick people in clicking whichever button is highlighted (usually the "accept all cookies" one) just so they can browse some content?

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Post by evanelias »

systemvoltage wrote: post #52
zapita wrote: post #47

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Except Docker had already raised $10M before launching. So they do not match your pattern.

Doesn't matter. $10M initial round to offer free product to get users aboard. The key point is to get users addicted to free. Uber did this by undercutting the entire taxi industry at a loss . Ever wondered why your rides were so cheap!? Jio did the same in India, offer free unlimited internet on their phone service and wipe out the competition.

Their initial product was a platform-as-a-service (dotCloud), which wasn't free, aside from the early beta. Docker was essentially a pivot. I see no evidence that the company was founded as a nefarious scheme to get users addicted to a free product.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by zemo »

Yajirobe wrote: post #53
systemvoltage wrote: post #42

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It is obvious. This is a common pattern: 1. Offer open-source 100% free product that's absolutely ground breaking, unlike anything else. 2. Get a shitload of users and free PR machine gets rolling. Network effects kick in. 3. Go to investors with your active user count in excess of millions. 4. Investors go bonkers and their eyes swell up with all the ways they can exploit these addicted-to-free user base. 5. Company…

> I have zero empathy for these companies and their investors. Wow, imagine being so hateful towards amazing open-source tools

being open-source is not a magical shield against criticism

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by mav3rick »

bityard wrote: post #152
revskill wrote: post #143

I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.

Well, Docker is a Linux technology. If you really need Docker that badly and can't take the overhead of a VM, then it sounds like you would be better off just running Linux like the rest of us. :)

There is a container runtime / API to abstract this. Pretty sure Windows has equivalents of namespaces and cgroups.

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Post by twox2 »

twox2 wrote: post #68
enumjorge wrote: post #60

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Yeah the government is far from perfect, but people also treat it as a punching bag. It was companies who used the lack of regulation in tech to abuse cookies, and our government responded with regulation. And now some sites are implementing those rules in very annoying ways. Instead of getting mad at the party who is trying to protect you in this situation, how about directing that anger at the parties who caused th…

I disagree. It's the over-regulation that calls for these pain in the ass implementations.

Downvote all you want, but you're in denial. GDPR and the like are nothing more than "privacy theater". I work in this industry and know it very well. Cookie opt outs or forced opt-ins on publisher pages aren't helping anyone with anything. The whole thing is just a farce so that they can enforce this against bigger tech companies when they want to. They should just tax them outright and save us all the trouble.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by deckard1 »

rusk wrote: post #150
sombremesa wrote: post #142

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It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.

Interesting analogy vs car transmission. I always find auto frustrating because it doesn’t give me the love of control I’m comfortable with ...

probably neither here nor there, but I always see manual transmission in new cars as an anachronism bordering on placebo. Primarily because everything else is still an abstraction. Specifically steering. I recall BMW or maybe Porsche getting raked over the coals for their lifeless floaty steering in a few of their newer models. Modern steering is all emulated anyway, giving you that "road" feel. Along with cars piping in engine noise via the speakers (ugh)
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