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Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by smaryjerry »

nickjj wrote: post #108

Some folks have mentioned that this can't be compared to Apple because as a Shopify app creator you have the option to distribute the app on your own platform to avoid the 20% fee. But in an eco-system driven platform I don't think having a choice matters in the end. If users are trained that the best place to install apps is through the app store and there's a huge marketing effort put in place by the app store that…

That seems to be the case. Even Android allowing apps outside their store to be installed but you have to find 5 more buttons in settings to click to get there causes people to just not do it.

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Post by h0nd »

benzible wrote: post #151
cannabis_sam wrote: post #147

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> (1) Apple is effectively a monopoly, much more so than shopify I’m just curious, by which metric?

Apple has > 60% market share in the US [1]. 60% is considered by courts to be a barrier to entry for new competitors [2] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta... [2] https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c10784/c10784.pdf : "60% is a favorite threshold for the courts"

A quick search for worldwide data shows that both Shopify as iOS have a market share in the ~23% area.

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Post by boringg »

hahahahe wrote: post #96

I still don’t understand why people use Shopify. And on top of that people equate them to being the next Amazon. Boggles my mind.

As a merchant (not developer) you own your own clients, your storefront and can run seamlessly IRL and online on Shopify - at least thats the pitch. Shopify doesn't suggest to your clients to go buy from another merchant.

In the case of Amazon you own nothing so as a merchant you are thrown into a marketplace where Amazon controls everything and Amazon can take your best products and then make knock offs of them and undercut your sales. Totally different companies - not in the same ball park (Amazon is way bigger then Shopify, don't fall for the false narrative)

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by smaryjerry »

beshrkayali wrote: post #33

Shopify is a terrible experience overall, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone looking to start a quick ecom business online, especially if you don't have technical experience _or_ you don't plan exactly what you'll do if you grow over it. I had to work with some clients that wanted to move away from Shopify and I was surprised at how certain types of paccounts are required to access certain parts of the API for th…

Sadly there aren’t a lot of better options. Spotify has to be the worst bang for your buck option though if you actually have customers. The most basic functionality sucks without apps so you have to get them and sure most apps are “free” until you actually get customers but then you get slammed with fees. Wordpress is similar where if you want it to actually perform like a half decent store you need to pay for a ton of add-ons but it’s even worse because even if you have no customers you have to pay for the addons.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #136
cultofmetatron wrote: post #132

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This puts that insane Qannon theory and the kids who went missing under Trump's kids in cages program in an entirely new context...

You mean Obama Biden's cages, they built them and continue to operate them after all. Exemplifying the point made above about hypocrisy

Last I checked, Biden wasn't separating children from their parents at the border as a blanket policy and using them as leverage to get the parents to go away. Emphasis on BLANKET POLICY. Obama/Biden didn't put every child in a cage the way steven miller did.

So no, I dont' see hypocrisy here.

Its night and day. Trump's stewardship put these children in a lord of the flies scenario where they had to take care of each other and the leadership acting more like prison guards than caretakers.

I agree that Biden should close those things down but he cant just release the children into the wild. He got left with a timebomb and care has to be taken when dismantling it. Time will tell if he commits to transitioning these children to more appropriate living facilities and finding their parents (https://reason.com/2020/10/21/545-migrant-kids-snatched-by-t...) or relatives. He's been president less than 2 months. it will take time to see if he honors his commitments.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by boringg »

MrTortoise wrote: post #159
boringg wrote: post #156

If I understand this correctly: this OP partner app (not merchant/store) has been evading the Rev Share agreement with Shopify and is complaining because they got caught and are having to pay back their due? And then they are trying to jump on the furor of Apples 30% rev share agreement to get support from other developers - when the cases are completely different? To me it sounds like this App developer is trying to…

tbh i read it more as yet another example of a platform trying to restrict the rigths of its customers to do every other aspect of their business in the way they choose. I take your point - and its probably true. BUT when I use what is essentially a glorified website builder to build a site they don't get to tell me who i can put my money through or dictate anything about how i run my business beyond hosting and the…

I hear your generic complaint about platforms but in this case the Merchant and actually customers (not third party developer) are the people who should be protected. Partners (third party developers) should have access to provide Merchants much needed services and get paid for that but as I see it Shopify has to regulate what those Partners are doing so that neither their Merchants or Customers are getting taken advantage of. (I.E. avoid any kind of fallout similar to facebooks cambridge analytics level or fraudulent payments).

In this case the third party developer was circumventing the user agreement clearly for their own personal gain and potentially putting customer/merchant data at risk, or at the very minimum not willing to pay the terms that they agreed too. At least thats my perspective.

In terms of glorified website builder - the level of sophistication on these multi channel e-commerce and IRL platforms, inventory management, taxes etc is actually quite daunting to manage.

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Post by andrewjmg »

mehphp wrote: post #104
deepstack wrote: post #100

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Why would any one use Shopify 20% instead of 3 -4 % of stripe? Sounds like Shopify is total rip off.

Yeah it sucks, I just think of it as the marketing fee. I have done literally zero marketing other than put my app on their store and it has been selling for 6 years now. As of now, the app pays for the mortgage, car payment and then some so I can't complain too much I guess.

may I ask what exactly you sell?

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Post by [deleted] »

jgalt212 wrote: post #113
varispeed wrote: post #97

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I have noticed a pattern these days - people publicly criticise certain behaviours and then they do exactly what they criticise. They think that majority of people won't actually verify that and such message will embed a positive impression about that person. Then you have people rather lie to themselves rather than accept that they were wrong, so if they later find out that those people actually were doing what they…

Does as I say, not as I do whether it's the Mega Church pastor or Tim Cook. Trust No One.

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Post by scollet »

StavrosK wrote: post #92
notahacker wrote: post #89

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I'd prefer the rule of Hippocrates :D Not doing any harm seems like a good maxim for CEOs...

"Hippocrates" means "horse holder". Unfortunately, they turned out to be a bad investment.

How do you drop-ship horses?
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