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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by vehementi »

Aerroon wrote: post #135
lazyasciiart wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisons are not much of a target for tech upgrades. Here’s a 2018 study from california on “what happens if we put surveillance cameras in the prison?” to give you an idea of the baseline. https://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2018/05/High-Dese...

Then someone needs to be held responsible for this. Somebody is in charge of all of that and should face the consequences of their failure to fulfill their duties.

So are you and the other person in agreement that it's conspiracy theory nonsense then?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by Camillo »

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #95

Criminalization of drugs is a price support program for the cartels. Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do.

And in the meantime, we should all do our part by refusing to use illegal drugs, because that directly funds the violence.

But somehow this opportunity for personal action is never brought up.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by sam_goody »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #18

What can I do as an individual to see less of this stuff happen?

Move to a community that is on the edge (not hopelessly gone like in the article, but low income). Take a few youth as projects and start working with them, improving their lives. Donate to existing youth groups.

In our community, all crime has dropped tremendously since we started, and many youths now have purpose to their lives that will (hopefully) keep them from ever joining such groups.

And, importantly, don't forget your own kids. Keep an eye on their friends when growing up, make sure you spend the time to keep a good relationship with them.

If everyone in Central America consciously worked to raise their kids to be better people, and each also took two or three less fortunate kids as projects, it would show. (I am sure plenty do, but we need more working to improve the world!)

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by nicolas_t »

You would think that any organized gang would make sure to return kidnapped people safely so as to increase the likelyhood of getting the ransom... I wonder if the reason it doesn't happen is because the gangs doing the kidnapping are too fragmented and not centrally controlled?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

3131s wrote: post #125
TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

As someone who is from the US but lives in a poor country, it's hard to imagine what it would be like to take the already dire situations of place like this and then add in 2-3x the drug trafficking violence compared to the US. Legalizing most recreational drugs around the world is absolutely imperative! If it is not done sooner than later then the largest drug trafficking organizations will be so entrenched that it…

Legalizing recreational drugs may help, but it won't solve the problem; hard drugs are still a thing, the cocaine trade is booming (read an article that the amount of cocaine intercepted in the Rotterdam port has gone up 10x in the past three years, and that's just the stuff they catch; wouldn't be surprised if that represents only 10% of what comes in. The article mentioned that the interception doesn't seem to have any effect on the 'street price').

If for example the US manages to somehow curb the drug crisis, they'll find other buyers easily. Or switch to other products in demand, like insulin.

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Post by pietrovismara »

ogou wrote: post #159

Important to note that her own cousins helped set up the kidnapping and there is no drug transaction or service mentioned. Was done purely for money. Also, this isn’t a story about just one event. A much broader story is laid out. A quick search shows ~1300 confirmed kidnappings per year with 70000 reported missing. A kidnapping ending in death may just get reported as a murder. These numbers indicate a systemic prob…

How brilliant is finance to commodify people's suffering. Surely it helps make the market more efficient?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by yaniqt »

ogou wrote: post #159

Important to note that her own cousins helped set up the kidnapping and there is no drug transaction or service mentioned. Was done purely for money. Also, this isn’t a story about just one event. A much broader story is laid out. A quick search shows ~1300 confirmed kidnappings per year with 70000 reported missing. A kidnapping ending in death may just get reported as a murder. These numbers indicate a systemic prob…

Her cousins didn't help setup the kidnapping - that was the boy in the parallel story.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by raincom »

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #95

Criminalization of drugs is a price support program for the cartels. Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do.

The issue is deeper. War on drugs has created many little cartels, many of them don't make much money off of transporting drugs to USA. These local criminal gangs are there to extort money from businesses, kidnapping, selling drugs locally.

When PRI was in power, politicians and plaza bosses had mutual understanding: "you can transport drugs, but don't mess with locals who have no connection with drugs". Whenever USA tries to get rid of a kingpin, it will create more splinter factions, whose only way to fund themselves by kidnapping, ransoms, extortions, etc.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pietrovismara wrote: post #166
ogou wrote: post #159

Important to note that her own cousins helped set up the kidnapping and there is no drug transaction or service mentioned. Was done purely for money. Also, this isn’t a story about just one event. A much broader story is laid out. A quick search shows ~1300 confirmed kidnappings per year with 70000 reported missing. A kidnapping ending in death may just get reported as a murder. These numbers indicate a systemic prob…

How brilliant is finance to commodify people's suffering. Surely it helps make the market more efficient?

I recall reading an article on HN the other day which revealed there's even an insurance policy against ransom kidnappings, and that there are companies specializing in dealing with them - particularly, in business settings, they'd pay off the kidnappers and then bill your company for "consulting" (this is so that your company doesn't look like it's supporting organized crime by paying ransom).

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by tremon »

vehementi wrote: post #161
Aerroon wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then someone needs to be held responsible for this. Somebody is in charge of all of that and should face the consequences of their failure to fulfill their duties.

So are you and the other person in agreement that it's conspiracy theory nonsense then?

It reads to me like they're saying the conspiracy theory is valid, unless someone is held accountable for the CCTV failure.
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