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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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I don't understand. Is the plan to keep covid out of the country forever? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense at this point. Will there be a lockdown every time there's new infections?

Fun fact! If there are only a handful of cases the lockdowns don’t have to last that long. And vaccines can keep COVID out of a country forever

We'll see I guess but I'm extremely skeptical.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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By what mechanism does a lockdown ending in 2020 cause 30% spike in suicides in 2024?

Assuming this is a genuine question, thousands of businesses and lives have been irreparably destroyed. Suicide can take years to manifest after trauma. It's also worth noting that a lot of people have been temporarily propped up by government social programs, which will presumably end at some point. Once they do end, the destruction is no longer hideable and the people who have been made destitute by government mand…

Bro no offense but you are boohooing because your life sucks in America. Competent governments can actually fix this problem of COVID

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Anyone knows if Australia is going to accept "tourists" anytime soon? I would love to spend a few weeks there and get away from the chaos. (and of course I would get tested before going, etc)

No time soon, if they're smart. They shouldn't be eradicating coronavirus then inviting people in to reinfect them. That would be poor judgment.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Melbourne resident here. We're feeling pretty relieved to be getting these results and excited to be tentatively emerging from nearly four months of fairly strict lockdown. Much is being made of the fact that back in August when Melbourne was reporting over 700 new cases on some days, UK and France were reporting similar new case numbers, yet we are now getting zeroes and those countries have out-of-control spread. A…

I don't understand. Is the plan to keep covid out of the country forever? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense at this point. Will there be a lockdown every time there's new infections?

It's a good question.

The political leaders at both state and federal levels are banking on an effective/safe vaccine being widely available in the next 12 months.

If that doesn't eventuate, I don't know what the Plan B is.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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So they achieved 0 infections without herd immunity via natural means or a vaccine? Isn't that a temporary win? Once a person enters the country with the virus its back on. Are we pattong our selves on the back too soon for these kinds of wins? The modern news cycle is so short sighted that the media makes money off this kind of thing without reporting the full picture.

The US makes visitors get certain vaccinations before being able to visit

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat...

Assuming a vaccine comes out, Australia can make US visitors get vaccinated before visiting.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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> ... vs the benefits of suppressing a virus that many consider to be not very serious. I haven't seen good polling numbers around this, but I suspect it's not actually 'many', but rather a highly vocal small number of people, blessed with hubris, ignorance, and/or partisan agendas. I appreciate that there's some significant impact to a lot of people, and that my world view is significantly skewed because I'm not in…

Sounds like you’ve gone to the argument of “this can affect fit and healthy people in other ways that we may not even know.” It is clear that the death toll is overwhelmingly skewed toward the elderly. Many of whom died in the first wave as corona prob got into many nursing homes before we knew better. We are now very careful w nursing homes/ elderly, we might see cases go up but as long as you protect them the death…

Bro I wish I kept some of my Covid in a jar to share with you so you can prove how macho you are. The virus kicks your ass months after you’ve already recovered. Early 20s and I run every day. You are probably older than that and don’t exercise

Edit: I eat my vegetables and you probably don’t eat your vegetables either

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Melbourne resident here. We're feeling pretty relieved to be getting these results and excited to be tentatively emerging from nearly four months of fairly strict lockdown. Much is being made of the fact that back in August when Melbourne was reporting over 700 new cases on some days, UK and France were reporting similar new case numbers, yet we are now getting zeroes and those countries have out-of-control spread. A…

I don't understand. Is the plan to keep covid out of the country forever? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense at this point. Will there be a lockdown every time there's new infections?

I would assume until a vaccine that at least helps slow the spread or until the virus has mutated enough it's less of an impact. Or at least an bet at one of those 2 occurring.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Fun fact! If there are only a handful of cases the lockdowns don’t have to last that long. And vaccines can keep COVID out of a country forever

We'll see I guess but I'm extremely skeptical.

I mean, it appears to be working in New Zealand. Island countries with relatively small populations seem like the places where this approach is feasible.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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There was more than "token" support for small businesses. There was Federal government support for maintaining employment and there were bank and commercial lease supports. In addition, the state government provided loans and direct funding to various industries. Remember that Australia has not had a financial recession for 25+ years. Recession for any reason causes bankruptcies which leads to those personal impacts.…

You seem to be missing the point. That support was inefficient because government action still crushed thousands of businesses despite the support available. Some of these restaurants had $20,000/week expenses and the government was offering significantly less than that in support. >But the lockdown has meant that our economy will be closer back to "normal" earlier than it would have been That sounds like wild specul…

Likely many of those businesses would have closed anyway, even without the lockdown, just from people avoiding crowded areas because they don’t want to get sick.
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