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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by evgen »

dpc_pw wrote: post #21
Fezzik wrote: post #2

This is fantastic news. I do worry about the US though. As far as I can tell huge numbers of people are still treating this like it is nothing. I base this, very expertly, on the sheer number of large Halloween parties I was invited to tonight... and how people (aged 28-40) are still mocking those who won’t congregate with 50 randos in a house. It’s very perplexing. And on the ever-increasing infections and deaths. A…

Are you worried about Sweden too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MljLpcD0VWM Deaths flat in case you were wondering: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sweden%20deaths%20coro...

And still sucking hind tit compared to Norway, Finland, and Denmark. But let's not let simple facts and data get in the way of your anti-lockdown fairy tale...

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by question000 »

thinkingemote wrote: post #97
question000 wrote: post #91

Seeing all these knee jerk anti-lockdown, anti-government, anti-rules, posts claiming beyond all reason that Australia just magically has no cases because of some statistical quirk or something really shows how many people will just never accept any kind of government intervention was beneficial even when blatantly obvious.

Your comment doesn't really add much value to the discussion, but seeing as you are a new account, I would suggest lurking a bit more.

Comments claiming the lockdown did nothing add something to the discussion? How could any rational human being really think this? They just blindly hate the government and some people here really don't understand that this worked, not because they debated about it but because they just did the obvious thing and organized a response and executed it.

Edit: and also instead of making personal attacks please address the substance of what I'm saying I've been on HN but just created an account to respond to the new wave of germ theory denialism I see on this site.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by Lewton »

rscho wrote: post #100
Lewton wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Experts didn't suggest withholding steroids just because they wanted to show off. Doctors in the field withheld steroids because the steroids they were giving patients with covid-19 was actively killing them. It took a long time to find out what steroids could safely be used for treatment

When I say 'we killed', it's myself included in a very personal way. I am an ICU doctor working on the frontline at one of the largest european university hospitals. And I am not a resident anymore. Yes, they were show-offs and they still are. There is no justification for throwing away years of clinical experience with ARDS based on the personal opinions of a few who want to steal the spotlight by relying on novelty…

Is what I wrote wrong? Is it not true that in the beginning they saw an increase in fatalities when treating with certain kinds of steroids?

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by rscho »

Lewton wrote: post #103
rscho wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I say 'we killed', it's myself included in a very personal way. I am an ICU doctor working on the frontline at one of the largest european university hospitals. And I am not a resident anymore. Yes, they were show-offs and they still are. There is no justification for throwing away years of clinical experience with ARDS based on the personal opinions of a few who want to steal the spotlight by relying on novelty…

Is what I wrote wrong? Is it not true that in the beginning they saw an increase in fatalities when treating with certain kinds of steroids?

I never downvote, so not me.

BTW yes, they said that. And now we see that using them and trying to keep people breathing by themselves, we do much better (big surprise).

I do a lot of medical research and I am fully confident in saying that to decide to go against the grain based on preliminary data is irresponsible in medicine.

As a personal note, the attitude of medical researchers and the loosening of ethical and legal boundaries pertaining to research I saw in the first wave make me puke.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by rswail »

fxtentacle wrote: post #19
bmitc wrote: post #4

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The U.S. is filled with blind exceptionalism and narcissism compounded with social media and propaganda running rampant along with oligarchs who care about little else than money. This election hopefully provides a temporary relief, but there are seriously deep problems at hand.

My impression is that both in the US and in most European countries, there is a dire need for new political parties to enter the mainstream. I mean this election is basically a forced choice between two grandpas and both are representing values from before I was born. Where's the political party that I would trust to do what will secure a good future for my kids, because they, too, have young kids? Where's the politi…

It's the final fling of the boomers (speaking as the trailing edge of them).

This is transitional and we'll see changes in the next political cycles. In the US it will be the post Nixon, post Reagan politicians, in the EU it will be the post Berlin Wall/unification politicians.

The problems of the 20th century are fading, but the problems of the 21st are crystalizing. Climate Change, the effects of 40 years of laissez faire capitalism and dergulation, the effects of casualisation of the work force and in many OECD societies, lack of wage growth or wealth of the lower/middle classes.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by apexalpha »

tomhoward wrote: post #15

Melbourne resident here. We're feeling pretty relieved to be getting these results and excited to be tentatively emerging from nearly four months of fairly strict lockdown. Much is being made of the fact that back in August when Melbourne was reporting over 700 new cases on some days, UK and France were reporting similar new case numbers, yet we are now getting zeroes and those countries have out-of-control spread. A…

Much is being made of the fact that back in August when Melbourne was reporting over 700 new cases on some days, UK and France were reporting similar new case numbers, yet we are now getting zeroes and those countries have out-of-control spread.

Congrats on getting to the magic 0!

I know it can seem weird that Europe didn't lock down over the summer, but here we mostly use Health care capacity, not active cases, as the most important number.

Being a relatively small island [0] on a remote corner of this planet makes the case for going to the 0 cases a viable one.

Going into a 4 month lockdown in Europe would be useless, since it would just pop up again since we don't have a few international airports as only places where you can enter.

So we're going into lockdown in Europe to prevent swamping our hospitals, and will resume life when it's okay again. And probably will keep going back and forth until a vaccine.

[0](in terms of population)

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by nickthemagicman »

alisonatwork wrote: post #68
0xy wrote: post #59

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Lockdown has a death toll. This is just fact. People delay preventative treatment, they get depressed, overweight, suicides skyrocket. In Melbourne in particular, there was a giant spike in 12 year olds getting prescribed serious anti-depressant medication. Four newborn babies died because the South Australian government did not want to risk flying them to Melbourne for treatment. Lockdown primarily harms young peopl…

I agree with the spirit of your comment, but I would also like to see some hard (not projected) numbers to take it beyond speculation. Where I currently live in BC (Canada), there have been more overdose deaths than coronavirus deaths in 2020[0]. It might be the case that the overdoses have increased precisely because of lockdown. It might also not be the case. That remains to be investigated. I think it's superficia…

Knocked on the head...for now.

All it takes is for one person to start the virus up again and the entire country has to go back into lock down.

They're playing a permanant game of country wide lockdown whack a mole with the virus.

No one can ever get comfortable again until herd immunity is reached which lockdowns delay.

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by [deleted] »

m0zg wrote: post #79
L-four wrote: post #76

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It's not going away, we are actively getting rid of it.

> getting rid of it No you aren't. There's no "getting rid of it". Spanish Flu (!) is still with us. It just kinda fizzled out after just about everyone got it over the course of 2+ years, but the virus still endemic, over a hundred years later.

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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by nickthemagicman »

peteretep wrote: post #23

Good luck y’all! Life in Thailand has been pretty awesome (if you don’t rely on tourist dollars) since we hit this point some months back. At this point when the occasional bizarre local case does show up (and one or two have here) the government can go nuts on contact tracing and make sure it stays under control.

Thailand never had a bad outbreak to begin with and no one knows why.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-th...

Also, isn't Thailand a dictatorship where if you insult the royal family verbally you can be beheaded?

Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday

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Post by 0xy »

howlgarnish wrote: post #93
0xy wrote: post #78

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Don't take this the wrong way, but did you read your own source? It literally proves my point. >"We still think we're going to see, over the course of a 12-month period … and then subsequent years, in the order of 30 per cent increase [in] suicide rates," he said. 30% of 3,048 is 914. 5 years of that is 4,572 additional suicides. I got the 5 years data point from the Australian Medical Association. [1] [1] https://am…

By what mechanism does a lockdown ending in 2020 cause 30% spike in suicides in 2024?

Assuming this is a genuine question, thousands of businesses and lives have been irreparably destroyed. Suicide can take years to manifest after trauma. It's also worth noting that a lot of people have been temporarily propped up by government social programs, which will presumably end at some point. Once they do end, the destruction is no longer hideable and the people who have been made destitute by government mandates will have absolutely nothing.

A restaurant owner who saved their entire life to open up a business was forced to shut down for the greater part of a year with inadequate government support. Of course that causes depression and even suicide in some cases. Their life's work has been eviscerated through no fault of their own.

During the lockdown, the government's message was essentially "do not open your business by threat of enforcement action, but by the way you have to keep paying your rent/mortgage and we're going to give you a token amount of money to help".

While this was happening, governments around the world were throwing cash at banks and big business. Small businesses got screwed. As usual.

As for the specific medical reasoning, I'm no medical professional and would not pretend to know how the Australian Medical Association comes up with their claims.

If you were questioning the source, I'd implore you to post counter-evidence.

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