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Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Maybe we need a chat protocol that does the same decoupling, then.

Do you think Apple would approve a client app to such a chat network?

If web browsers weren't grandfathered in then they would definitely not be allowed on the App Store and the web probably wouldn't exist today.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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https://t.me/durov/136 > Previously, when removing posts at Apple’s request, Telegram replaced those posts with a notice that cited the exact rule limiting such content for iOS users. However, Apple reached out to us a while ago and said our app is not allowed to show users such notices because they were “irrelevant”. Fucking hell, Apple. ---- cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_...

Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…

> It's an American device. It should act like it!

I don't think what the USA is doing is something that should be followed. See anything privacy endangering in the US.

That's a really random nitpick though and I get what you meant.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Make no mistake, Apple is a very powerful company.

I have admired this company as an aspiring kid growing up in a city in India. It had stories, dreamy stories, things I believed in.

Now it's all money and absolute control. The very things I consider harmful to society. This is no longer that Apple. And, yes 1984.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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This makes me sick to my stomach. My wife just got her third Apple product. We've been happy customers.

I've been following the news out of Belarus even if there isn't much hope at least the world has been witnessing.

How dare they. This is just appalling.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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https://t.me/durov/136 > Previously, when removing posts at Apple’s request, Telegram replaced those posts with a notice that cited the exact rule limiting such content for iOS users. However, Apple reached out to us a while ago and said our app is not allowed to show users such notices because they were “irrelevant”. Fucking hell, Apple. ---- cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_...

Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…

Tim Cook is not a good person.

Source: The people he engages with as he attempts to increase Apple's market cap.

https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2018/04/07/6f86bd65-aefa-4a...

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Apple is not a government? That's fine. Let the government regulate them and break them up.

As long as it’s legal.

Slavery was legal. Everything Belarus is doing is also legal.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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How would it blow up in their face when Apple's customers don't care? Apple has handed over the entire operation of iCloud in China to a regime owned company, including all user data and keys (they did warn users that they were going to do that though). At the same time they do not permit side-loading, thereby handing complete control over what users are allowed to install on their devices to authoritarian regimes. T…

Apple followed Chinese law, and that’s why iCloud and iMessage are available in China. It’s a similar situation for Microsoft Teams and Skype. If Facebook does the same, they will be available in China too. Google tried to do it with their Project Dragonfly, but bad publicity made them stop.

Is there a Chinese law that requires all cloud services to be operated by regime owned companies? Could they not have provided that service themselves from inside China and comply with the law only to the extent necessary?

Is there a law that requires them to offer iCloud at all if they want to sell their hardware there?

Is there a law that requires them to ban side-loading?

It seems to me that Apple is always doing a bit more than they are required to do under the law. They clearly want to stay in the good graces of those regimes, especially in China.

But I do agree that the problem in general is structural and not specific to Apple. I think there should be something akin to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to limit what those corporations can do in other countries. There has to be a limit to their aiding and abetting human rights violations.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Does Apple have a strong user base in Belarus? I don't think many protestors can afford their devices.

Belarus is a developed (if not particularly rich) country, it's a dangerous fallacy to think only third world can have dictatorships.
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