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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by d0mdo0ss »

jandrese wrote: post #150
d0mdo0ss wrote: post #140

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anyone have some experience on this? I'm in the market for an AMD laptop capable of running standard sci-kit/pytorch/etc but these seem optimized for NVIDIA cards. I'm curious about the outlook for these trending AMD cards.

Generally if you want to do ML tasks you want nVidia. They put the work in early to build the tooling so now the default assumption is that you're on nVidia hardware. It is possible to do some stuff on AMD cards, but you'll be on the cutting edge for that platform re-solving problems that were already solved on the nVidia side.

yes that was my conclusion after some research on this. there is an open issue on github for AMD support on pytorch, and looks like something works on arch linux, but really sounds like support is still in the hacking stage and far from production mode.

https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/issues/10657

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Post by marmaduke »

the_duke wrote: post #2

With Intel stuck in process hell for a while longer, I primarily hope AMD can gain ground on Nvidia. They are pushing a lot of innovation and gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space and gaming (with ray tracing, upscaling, etc). We need some competition to keep prices low and innovation high medium to long term.

I recently ported a code to AVX512 (with ISPC) and was blown away by the performance. Sure, maybe fma can cause throttling but for me, I could replace a 28 core Haswell machine by a 10 core Skylake X (Xeon W specifically) with the new instruction set. A fatter one (16 core?) would compete with a high end Nvidia card and maybe a 32 core EPYC. Sure, it’s just my benchmark, but it is competitive.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by pbalau »

mbell wrote: post #59
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #19

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The information available around Big Navi (The GPUs expected to launch next month) put them at a +50% performance jump from the last generation and likely able to compete with the Nvidia flagship 3080: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-big_navi-rdna2-all-we-... I'd really urge anyone wanting to opine on these issues to watch the official analyst day videos and read through the releases AMD has put out so far in t…

> The information available around Big Navi (The GPUs expected to launch next month) put them at a +50% performance jump from the last generation and likely able to compete with the Nvidia flagship 3080 I guess it depends on what benchmark you care about but for AMD to compete with a 3080, which is 70-100% faster than a 2080, which is 10-20% faster than AMD's current flagship, they need to do a lot better than +50%.

Isn't the Nvidia flagship the RTX 3090? The overclockers uk website has the most expensive 3090 (Asus one) at ~1600gbp. On paper this should destroy everything else available atm.

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Post by formerly_proven »

AMD_DRIVERS wrote: post #120
genpfault wrote: post #71

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> single threaded performance is even still important for games. I'm looking at you, TF2 & PCSX2.

>TF2 Is Team Fortress 2 really that single-thread bound?

Source 1 does basically everything in one thread and is a ~15 year old D3D9 renderer.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by brundolf »

SloopJon wrote: post #144

Would an AMD event like this usually be an announcement about future products, a paper launch, or could one expect to buy one of these processors soon like? I'm looking to build a new system around an RTX 30-something. I would even consider a pre-built system if I can't get my hands on retail parts.

Same here; I decided about a month ago that I wanted to upgrade, and that I wanted to go AMD this time, but then I found out Zen 3 was right around the corner so I've been anxiously awaiting its release so I can move forward

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Post by MrStonedOne »

bildung wrote: post #142
MrStonedOne wrote: post #113

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I can't support AMD as a company as long as they are doing that on any of their products.

So what kind of CPUs do you buy, with both Intel and AMD out of the game?

I'm mad at intel for what they did in the past, im mad at amd for what they are currently doing, which do you think will win out?

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by ChickeNES »

technofiend wrote: post #25
PedroBatista wrote: post #6

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

The last time I owned an AMD video card was more than a decade ago. At the time their video card drivers needed work and could blue screen your box. There was a lot of back and forth on the internet about which driver version to load to get the most stable experience. Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/radeon-big-navi-d…

Yeah I got a good deal on a RX590 last year and I still regret it. Tons of crashes and outright hard lockups on my desktop. Looking forward to the RTX3070 so I can toss the 590 in the bin

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Post by justaguy88 »

swalsh wrote: post #109
garblegarble wrote: post #90

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>serious stabilization issues Care to go into more detail? I've just installed a server with a 3700X and the only issues I've experienced have been that I need a custom kernel module in order to get CPU temperature and power data (zenpower)

It's been a while, so I have since forgotten the details... but I believe I needed to make a few changes to the BIOS to turn off idling or something like that.

The 'package c6 state' thing?

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Post by mastax »

SloopJon wrote: post #144

Would an AMD event like this usually be an announcement about future products, a paper launch, or could one expect to buy one of these processors soon like? I'm looking to build a new system around an RTX 30-something. I would even consider a pre-built system if I can't get my hands on retail parts.

AMD has said in the past that the GPUs will be available before the new consoles. I'd expect very limited availability sometime early November. CPUs maybe a bit earlier and a bit better availability.

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Post by t-writescode »

pbalau wrote: post #163
mbell wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The information available around Big Navi (The GPUs expected to launch next month) put them at a +50% performance jump from the last generation and likely able to compete with the Nvidia flagship 3080 I guess it depends on what benchmark you care about but for AMD to compete with a 3080, which is 70-100% faster than a 2080, which is 10-20% faster than AMD's current flagship, they need to do a lot better than +50%.

Isn't the Nvidia flagship the RTX 3090? The overclockers uk website has the most expensive 3090 (Asus one) at ~1600gbp. On paper this should destroy everything else available atm.

It's also well over $1000. I imagine that's not the competition that AMD is going after this iteration. They probably want to compete with the graphics card people will actually buy.
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