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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by lagadu »

DisjointedHunt wrote: post #19
reitzensteinm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chips are in the pipeline for many years, so products being released today are probably on the tail end of being impacted by AMD cutting GPU budgets to the bone to focus on Zen. I wouldn't expect miracles. Given AMD's market cap and financial success, I bet they're working on competitive designs now. There's no money in being an also ran in the space.

The information available around Big Navi (The GPUs expected to launch next month) put them at a +50% performance jump from the last generation and likely able to compete with the Nvidia flagship 3080: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-big_navi-rdna2-all-we-... I'd really urge anyone wanting to opine on these issues to watch the official analyst day videos and read through the releases AMD has put out so far in t…

+50% performance per watt efficiency. Unfortunately that only puts them at the same efficiency ballpark as nvidia's past two generations.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by swalsh »

bootloop wrote: post #106
swalsh wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind, I have what is probably a dumb question. Why does a GPU use PCI-Express still? I understand why they used to use it, but now they are not only standard, but in some cases the most important part of a PC. I feel like if we could break the basic components out of the card, and bring it closer the system with a more modular design a bunch of things would be better. Wouldn't it be nice if I could choos…

What makes you think that PCIe is a bottleneck? You can just populate your machine with another GPU if you need more memory or cores (thanks to the PCIe bus system).

While reading about OpenGL programming, one of the first things nearly all books mention, is the cost of moving data from your system to the GPU's memory.... So I assumed that's still true, is it not? Adding more GPU's does not change things as much as reduce the problem by providing more space.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by MrStonedOne »

newsclues wrote: post #57
MrStonedOne wrote: post #16

Unless they are going to announce that they will stop letting motherboards lock your cpus, I don't see why I should be excited.

Why wouldn’t you buy a Ryzen because some epyc chips get locked?

I can't support AMD as a company as long as they are doing that on any of their products.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by zamalek »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #77
tmpz22 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AND those early benchmarks were from Nvidia on very specific DLSS and RTX workloads that may not have been representative to many games people play.

Does it really matter for gaming?

Disclaimer: I'm personally hoping to complete my current build as a "Red Box" (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). However, facts are facts.

DLSS 1.9 was impressive, but has its problems and would understandably be avoided by most gamers. DLSS 2 is a whole different story[1], and is highly likely to be something that most gamers enable. 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards for PC gamers (depending on whether you prefer high resolution, or high framerates) and DLSS 2 would help you achieve either.

RTX is nice, Minecraft RTX has done a lot for marketing it. Probably still a coin-flip on whether a gamer would eat the performance hit for the quality improvement.

[1]: https://youtu.be/YWIKzRhYZm4

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by deeeeeplearning »

the_duke wrote: post #2

With Intel stuck in process hell for a while longer, I primarily hope AMD can gain ground on Nvidia. They are pushing a lot of innovation and gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space and gaming (with ray tracing, upscaling, etc). We need some competition to keep prices low and innovation high medium to long term.

>gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space

Is this really the case? Last I checked all the major Deep Learning toolsets ran off CUDA/cuDNN and there was nothing comparable for AMD hardware.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by sjwright »

hn_check wrote: post #45
andreasley wrote: post #21

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Apple Silicon will contain an Apple-designed GPU, so it might soon be irrelevant for Mac users what AMD has to offer.

Apple's GPUs achieve "integrated" level performance and it would be a large step for them to achieve AMD or nvidia performance levels. Maybe they can scale it up sufficiently, or put it on a separate die with its own heat dissipation, but that seems like biting off too mcuh. My MBP has the intel integrated graphics, and AMD discrete graphics. I imagine as Apple moves to Apple silicon it will be the same arrangement a…

Given the performance of iPad Pro graphics, I could easily see the Apple GPU being competitive with AMD’s graphics in thermally constrained scenarios.

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Post by justwalt »

technofiend wrote: post #25
PedroBatista wrote: post #6

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

The last time I owned an AMD video card was more than a decade ago. At the time their video card drivers needed work and could blue screen your box. There was a lot of back and forth on the internet about which driver version to load to get the most stable experience. Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/radeon-big-navi-d…

Back in 2018 I was upgrading my computer, and I wanted an all-AMD system, so I picked up a 2700X and a Vega 64. I’m really happy with the 2700X, but I returned the Vega because the Linux drivers (open source and proprietary) were shoddy for separate reasons. I picked up a 1080ti instead and never had a problem.

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Post by travisporter »

deeeeeplearning wrote: post #115
the_duke wrote: post #2

With Intel stuck in process hell for a while longer, I primarily hope AMD can gain ground on Nvidia. They are pushing a lot of innovation and gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space and gaming (with ray tracing, upscaling, etc). We need some competition to keep prices low and innovation high medium to long term.

>gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space Is this really the case? Last I checked all the major Deep Learning toolsets ran off CUDA/cuDNN and there was nothing comparable for AMD hardware.

I agree. I think OP was referring to nvidia?

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by throwaway2048 »

zamalek wrote: post #114
srtjstjsj wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it really matter for gaming?

Disclaimer: I'm personally hoping to complete my current build as a "Red Box" (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). However, facts are facts. DLSS 1.9 was impressive, but has its problems and would understandably be avoided by most gamers. DLSS 2 is a whole different story[1], and is highly likely to be something that most gamers enable. 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards for PC gamers (depending on whether you prefer high re…

DLSS and RTX are still game specific, with very few games that have developed for them. It has been a generation, if there was going to be a big flood of DLSS and RTX titles, it would have happened already.

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Post by AMD_DRIVERS »

genpfault wrote: post #71
ziml77 wrote: post #50

I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and saw that my 8086K still beats a 3800XT. Though maybe I'm stuck in the past a bit thinking that single threaded performance is even still important for games.

> single threaded performance is even still important for games. I'm looking at you, TF2 & PCSX2.

>TF2

Is Team Fortress 2 really that single-thread bound?

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