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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by Multicomp »

Arathorn wrote: post #121
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

I think "let's chat on Element" has an awesome ring to it, personally :D

Not to ape your message but this, exactly. Element is much better than riot. Now if only I could find it in fdroid or GP.

Joke: I think I'm starting to see the hacker news version of the gell-mann amnesia effect, when you read something you have no opinion of, the hacker news people sound so smart, but when you read something, form your own opinion first, and then arrive at the HN comments to see everyone melting down, you wonder "where did all the smart people go?" 5 minutes later, you are back to being part of the concern mob. :)

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by LockAndLol »

izietto wrote: post #9

I don't like the new name, is too generic. I think an original alternative would have been better, like Trello, Slack, ...

I'm not sure what it is with companies just picking a name from the English dictionary. You could be a little more inventive and come up with something either foreign or new-ish. Even a wrong but witty spelling of an existing word would do, but things like Apple, Amazon, Slack, Bird, Riot, Glassdoor... come on.

Not to take away from the tremendous work they're doing but that name really isn't good.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by t3chguy »

teekert wrote: post #89

The post references their new website [0] and talks about RiotX, their new website [1] however links to Riot.im [2], not RiotX [3], what to get? Also, I have to set a password, but also a recovery password which should not be the same... Yet, I store them together in my KeepassXC db. Why would that be? Oh, now I run into a message key, the third to store in the same db entry :) [0] https://element.io/ [1] https://ele…

> Why would that be?

One password that you send to the server to authenticate. The other is a passphrase used to seed an encryption key for the data you store on the server securely in a manner the server has no access to.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by partyboat1586 »

simias wrote: post #102
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

I actually don't like "Signal" either, because it's such a common word that it makes it hard to search for it online. "Telegram" is marginally better, since original telegrams are not very relevant today. But yeah Element is arguably even worse, it's a super common noun and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with communication. But in the end these naming discussions are always going to end up as bikeshedding. If…

This name is not mediocre, it's sub par. It's not searchable, memorable on its own or memorable in relation to what it's for. You need at least one of those.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by lvturner »

So many of these comments just feel like bikeshedding.

By most arguments here basecamp is an awful name for a company and hey is a terrible name for an email application - it doesn't seem to be holding them back though.

For those not familiar with bikeshedding please see: http://bikeshed.com/

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by midasz »

sam_goody wrote: post #60
sanqui wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd think I'm far from the only one who finds CockroachDB simply repulsive merely for its name.

OT, but I refer to it as RoachDB and that helps a lot. Roach could be a last name, or a type of chocolate...

Or a basically finished joint

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by sixhobbits »

Even as someone who has kind of been following along with Matrix development and this renaming thing, this post is really confusing.

If you go through a major rebrand, you've probably spent something like 1000 hours thinking about names and what they mean.

Your users haven't.

Get someone else to write the explanation of the rebrand. You can't do it yourself when you're too involved.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by dade_ »

_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

"Hey bro, let's chat on (the) Matrix." Use your favourite client.

People need to be able to find the Element app with a search of Matrix. So the Element Matrix client should work nicely. Working with a company that used Element as part of it's brand name, it was remembered, but no one ever said the Element part. I've seen first hand that people aren't crazy about installing an app on their phone called Riot. Hopefully the new name works.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by natural219 »

I gotta say; I haven't paid attention to Matrix for years, but I downloaded the Riot client again last week and HOLY COW. Everything is so smooth, beautiful, performant, and feature-filled.

They have Slack/Discord-like communities, awesome easy E2E verification, and almost every feature I want out of Discord, including video/voice chat powered by WebRTC out of the box.

Really incredible work the Matrix team has done on this. I was a decentralization reseracher for years, and I'd never imagined things would get this polished from a UI perspective. I think Matrix is the best current bet for decentralization services (Urbit following up in a close second), and will plan on digging in to hosting my own server at some point.

If you haven't used Riot / Element in a while, I highly recommend you give it a try. Smooth as butter.

[edit: the bikeshedding here is infuriating. "Element chat" is a perfectly fine Google query. users being entitled primadonnas (sorry, I know that's hostile, but I think it's warranted) and expecting every software release to have Google/Facebook tier marketing effort behind them is the #1 problem in the adoption of decentralized platforms, and should be eradicated from civil discourse about internet infrastructure. just my two cents.]

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