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Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by csours »

kayfox wrote: post #141
csours wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Briefly: It could be, but that would mean reclassifying the airplane. Maybe think about it like anti-lock brakes. Cars without ABS can be driven safely in many/most circumstances, but most drivers are accustomed to ABS. (This is necessarily a limited analogy) Also, there are government requirements per aircraft type, and removing this system would change the aircraft type, triggering a significant amount of required…

It cant, the forces have to linearly increase per FARs, so MCAS has to be a thing, same type certificate or not.

Ah, that's the first time I've heard that. I'm certainly not an expert, I've just read/watched a number of reports.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by kayfox »

csours wrote: post #161
kayfox wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It cant, the forces have to linearly increase per FARs, so MCAS has to be a thing, same type certificate or not.

Ah, that's the first time I've heard that. I'm certainly not an expert, I've just read/watched a number of reports.

The problem with reporting around this issue is that its emotionally driven and done often by people who have little experience with how the aviation industry works. So while the exact details are accurately reported in aviation industry news, the mainstream news keeps parroting things that are false and confirmation bias keeps people from picking up when those things are false.

The departure from reality in this case is pretty severe:

1. There were severe issues with pilot's performance on both flights.

2. Airline maintenance is culpable in the Lion Air flight.

3. MCAS is required irregardless of what type certificate is used.

4. Boeing's "new problems with the 737" are not as much a result of faults previously ignored, but new issues created by reassessing the risk factors related to those systems.

5. The 737 MAX is not aerodynamically unstable.

6. The 737 MAX issue has brought to light severe issues in the aviation industry that may require retraining many pilots in the industry or being way more aggressive with refresh training (also see the Atlas Air crash recently).

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by blaser-waffle »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #156
nnd wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What metrics would you consider when it comes to aircraft safety?

Flying on airframes that have been sufficiently validated by regulatory bodies and have a history of not killing passengers.

Plenty of aircraft have a history of crashing. There need to be more metrics, like recent crash history, maintenance routines, even things like financial performance.

Even the best airframe will go down if poorly maintained or their pilots aren't experienced and properly rotated.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by dingaling »

cameldrv wrote: post #125
BitwiseFool wrote: post #2

According to the article Boeing has halted production, but this leaves the door open to producing them again in the future after design updates. I predict they'll try to rename the model and fly it again after making changes and certifying. That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as.

The 737NG is out of production, and Airbus currently has something like a 5 year backlog of A320 orders. The only other direct competitor is the Comac C919. Boeing has already made about 1000 737MAXes. The 737MAX is going to be a significant part of the global airline fleet whether you like it or not. There will be many routes where the 737MAX is the only aircraft flying that route. I think it's fairly unlikely that…

> The 737NG is out of production

No they're still rolling off the line for the military Poseidon and Wedgetail programs

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Post by mumblemumble »

edifus wrote: post #77
mumblemumble wrote: post #68

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I worked at a help desk when Windows ME came out. As I recall, the most salient difference I found between it and XP was that they removed a bunch of tools that I had come to rely on for diagnosis, troubleshooting, and just generally understanding what was going on under the hood. I guess it was ostensibly better, but I never did feel as comfortable working with an ME box. With that in mind, yeah, Windows ME sounds l…

But ME came out before Windows XP..

Yeah, brain fart. I was thinking 98.
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