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Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Dilution / inflation is a feature not a bug. Money should be put to work doing productive stuff in the economy, not hoarded. Also crypto currencies, are not currencies. They are commodities. It is far more accurate, conceptually to think about them the same as precious metals and grains, not dollars.

> Dilution / inflation is a feature not a bug. This is not true. We have simply adopted a system where it is a feature. We did not have steady enforced inflation until the 1950s. There are entire schools of economics that believe the concept of controlled inflation should be relegated to the past, and replaced with market ruled inflation / deflation. I'm not saying I understand how such a fictional world will work (a…

Inflation is an emergent property of money. It isn't set or enforced it just naturally happens because of money. Monetary policy can be set to try to corral it to certain ranges based on economic beliefs about what rate of inflation implies in terms of growth and risk.

2008 happened because of bad debt. That the bad debt was cheap debt certainly poured fuel on the fire, yet the fundamental issue was deregulation and high risk lending practices that followed from that deregulation.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for." Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second. "Bitcoin can already scale much larger than tha…

Every single crypto that has tried to pass that limitation has remained centralised in one way or another. You can either: 1) have centralisation 2) assume storage space will expand exponentially since the entire point of bitcoin is many many copies of its ledger 3) come up with a new method more secure than PoW but still decentralised Good luck with (3). (1) and (2) are not good choices. So they moved it off the cha…

4) An abridged chain. I wish I could find the link for this or remember what it was called, but there's a lot of research towards making a compressed chain that's still verifiable and would be small enough to have on your phone. I believe their thesis stated they should be able to get it down to 2mb if my memory serves correct.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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I have a different view of the 2020s. We don't need more tokens or programmable technology. Money is the dominant use case for crypto. We still haven't figured out how to make crypto money that people can use beyond speculation. Notable projects will be around money use cases. Currently, we see Bitcoin, Tether, and stablecoins. In the 2020s, there will be more coins that people can use as money. We'll spend the next…

Check out open bazaar. It is a decentralized p2p market place similar to ebay. Even has a decentralized escrow system with moderators that get paid to resolve disputes. Best part of it is that there are no fees at all to buy/sell stuff other than the cryptocurrency transfer fees. You also pay a fee if there is an issue with the product you bought/sold etc. Not much people using it though. Seems like best selling item…

> Seems like best selling items are gift cards.

So either this is a way for crypto to be "used" for purchases at popular stores, or it's being used for money laundering. (those gift cards are easily sold on eBay and other marketplaces for fiat; this is how you'd take payment in mostly untraceable crypto and cash out without having to subject yourself to exchange KYC/AML)

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

#164

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I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for." Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second. "Bitcoin can already scale much larger than tha…

Every single crypto that has tried to pass that limitation has remained centralised in one way or another. You can either: 1) have centralisation 2) assume storage space will expand exponentially since the entire point of bitcoin is many many copies of its ledger 3) come up with a new method more secure than PoW but still decentralised Good luck with (3). (1) and (2) are not good choices. So they moved it off the cha…

There is a solution (#3). Best known is to have the consensus layer prune data periodically, but check to see if the UTXO getting pruned are still spendable and charge fees for rebroadcasting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agppUdX9YvI&feature=youtu.be...

An actual market-powered mechanism for data-pruning. As the price of new transactions rise, the amount paid by old (rebroadcast) transactions rise more. Network hits equilibrium where data in == data out.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Every single crypto that has tried to pass that limitation has remained centralised in one way or another. You can either: 1) have centralisation 2) assume storage space will expand exponentially since the entire point of bitcoin is many many copies of its ledger 3) come up with a new method more secure than PoW but still decentralised Good luck with (3). (1) and (2) are not good choices. So they moved it off the cha…

4) An abridged chain. I wish I could find the link for this or remember what it was called, but there's a lot of research towards making a compressed chain that's still verifiable and would be small enough to have on your phone. I believe their thesis stated they should be able to get it down to 2mb if my memory serves correct.

I think you're thinking of Wimblemimble and ZK-snarks. They use cryptographic techniques where the signatures need to "add up" to what they should in order to be valid -- demonstrating that no new tokens have been added in the course of the new block.

Quite cool approaches. The problem is that you can't attach data to transactions, so only useful for a subset of applications, those unlikely to create much bloat in the first place.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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I'm not sure what you mean by "assume storage space will expand exponentially", since there is only a limited number of potential active crypto-currency users, making a small number of daily transactions (ignoring things like High Frequency Trading), recorded in a blockchain that grows linearly over time. Would you say that the credit card network, or PayPal, has exponentially increasing storage requirements? It's po…

I should've phrased that better. What I meant was to assume consumer affordable storage space will increase in size exponentially i.e. if we pay $0.01 / GB today, we should be paying fractions of that fraction in a year (because obviously "exponential" is loose term here). > (ignoring things like High Frequency Trading) HFT is not a blockchain transaction. They are off blockchain transactions entirely because they tr…

> The point of bitcoin is that everyone should have a copy of every transaction (excluding lightning network transactions).

Is that the point of bitcoin? Satoshi said:

> Long before the network gets anywhere near as large as that, it would be safe for users to use Simplified Payment Verification (section 8) to check for double spending, which only requires having the chain of block headers, or about 12KB per day. Only people trying to create new coins would need to run network nodes.

https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/2/

(He also didn't say anything about "lightning network transactions".)

> If we all wants to store every transaction in the way the parent of my previous comment alluded to (increase block size), each of us will need our own mini server farm i.e. exponential storage growth.

The BTC blockchain is currently 250 GB. If blocks had been 10 times bigger, the blockchain would still be less than 3 TB, and blocks would almost never be full, which would reduce transaction fees and help to onboard more users. I don't think that storing 3 TB of data requires a server farm.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

#167

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4) An abridged chain. I wish I could find the link for this or remember what it was called, but there's a lot of research towards making a compressed chain that's still verifiable and would be small enough to have on your phone. I believe their thesis stated they should be able to get it down to 2mb if my memory serves correct.

I think you're thinking of Wimblemimble and ZK-snarks. They use cryptographic techniques where the signatures need to "add up" to what they should in order to be valid -- demonstrating that no new tokens have been added in the course of the new block. Quite cool approaches. The problem is that you can't attach data to transactions, so only useful for a subset of applications, those unlikely to create much bloat in th…

No neither of those are it, I'm familiar with those. I believe this would still be the same old Bitcoin, but there will clients that use these proofs to run a lightweight full node without relying on external sources or resorting to a lite wallet model.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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At 500M it's already mainstream.

That’s my point, why would a startup implement it if it’s not mainstream and can bring a lot of customers. Startups barely pay attention to China and India consumers, much less a cryptocurrency holder.

It said it would become mainstream, and in that process there would be commonplace integration. Also, I think there's some confusion if you think the startups would need to pay holders.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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I remember people scoffing at the internet like there no legitimate use-cases for it. "Yeah, we have places for information, it's called Grolier's Encyclopedia on CD-ROM, and it's cheap!". "I already have yellow pages delivered for free by C&P Bell". While cryptocurrency may be quite a bit more narrow, blockchain is most likely a far more interesting technology.

It is, but approximately 100% of startups (ICOs) formed around it have failed right? That's not to say there are none, but a fuck ton of people have tried to come up with cool ideas and approximately zero worked out, like at all.

Tezos raised around $200 million in 2017 and has had a current market cap of something close to $1 billion lately

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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> If you look at what MakerDAO is doing with the Dai stablecoin, they've proven that it's possible to create a synthetic asset closely pegged to the dollar purely through financial incentives, and they did it all just using Ethereum v1. A holder of Dai can earn 4% APY through a Dai Savings Account, and a vote is currently in place to raise the rate to 6%. >I personally find it incredible that an asset exists on the b…

Paying 6%, or even 4%, on a savings account is a MASSIVE red flag to anyone with a bit of financial sense.

> Paying 6%, or even 4%, on a savings account is a MASSIVE red flag to anyone with a bit of financial sense.

Not necessarily. Our equivalent to a savings account (caderneta de poupança) had a return above 6% per year until a couple of years ago (it's down to slightly above 4% per year now). It's very easy to beat that (for instance, the 5-year prefixed federal government bond has a return of 6,39% per year at this moment). So a return of 6% per year would be considered normal around here, not a red flag.

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