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Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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The trouble with this article is that the author doesn't seem to know what Bitcoin is for. Notice the vague treatment of actual cryptocurrency applications. There are lots of predictions about startup activity, "flippenings" and venture capital, but little about the goods and services customers will actually be buying, or what specifically startups will be building. It's this kind of thinking that leads people into t…

I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for."

Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second.

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling." -Satoshi Nakamoto

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@cryptodailyuk/bitcoin-broke-coi...

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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That was very optimistic. And $200k Bitcoin? Might as well suggest $2m Bitcoin and the odds will be about the same. I've become very pessimistic around cryptocurrency after a year of chasing coins. Wake me up when Turtlecoin hits $10.

I remember people scoffing at the concept of 100 dollars per bitcoin like it couldn't possibly happen.

yea except that something cannot scale at such a rapid rate forever. Bitcoin and the rest of the market is sooo much bigger than it was back in 2013 when it was at $100. It requires so much money to make Bitcoin go up 50%.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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post #72

The trouble with this article is that the author doesn't seem to know what Bitcoin is for. Notice the vague treatment of actual cryptocurrency applications. There are lots of predictions about startup activity, "flippenings" and venture capital, but little about the goods and services customers will actually be buying, or what specifically startups will be building. It's this kind of thinking that leads people into t…

I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for." Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second. "Bitcoin can already scale much larger than tha…

I think they are being sarcastic. What they probably mean is "for political/business reasons Coinbase CEO has to tiptoe around Bitcoin's actual purpose".

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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> If you look at what MakerDAO is doing with the Dai stablecoin, they've proven that it's possible to create a synthetic asset closely pegged to the dollar purely through financial incentives, and they did it all just using Ethereum v1. A holder of Dai can earn 4% APY through a Dai Savings Account, and a vote is currently in place to raise the rate to 6%. >I personally find it incredible that an asset exists on the b…

Seriously. The risk adjusted return on whatever that crazy contraption is is almost certainly negative, and probably incalculably so. The idea that any sane financial instrument could increase its return by two points by the holders of it voting to do so is... I haven't the words.

> The idea that any sane financial instrument could increase its return by two points by the holders of it voting to do so is... I haven't the words.

Raising the savings rate will also raise the interest rate that those holding loans must pay. If a loan holder doesn't agree with the new interest rate, they are free to close out their loan.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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post #72

The trouble with this article is that the author doesn't seem to know what Bitcoin is for. Notice the vague treatment of actual cryptocurrency applications. There are lots of predictions about startup activity, "flippenings" and venture capital, but little about the goods and services customers will actually be buying, or what specifically startups will be building. It's this kind of thinking that leads people into t…

I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for." Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second. "Bitcoin can already scale much larger than tha…

He's the chair of a very public company with investors and whatnot.

Inevitably that hamstrings permissible opinions.

Not only that, the purpose of his company is to profit from cryptocurrency in a specific way, whether or not that's the 'right thing' for the space or not.

Their business model basically falls apart, for example, if people stop using fiat currencies and atomic swaps allow trades to happen without a clearing house.

All over this thread you can see waffle about money laundering or whatever else; which Coinbase cannot sidestep because they're forced to interface with banks that will cut them off, governments that don't like it if you don't do what they say, etc.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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post #72

The trouble with this article is that the author doesn't seem to know what Bitcoin is for. Notice the vague treatment of actual cryptocurrency applications. There are lots of predictions about startup activity, "flippenings" and venture capital, but little about the goods and services customers will actually be buying, or what specifically startups will be building. It's this kind of thinking that leads people into t…

Completely agree. I thought I posted on the other thread about 2020s predictions but apparently I didn't hit the reply button:

Bitcoin will definitely singularly emerge as the new common 'numéraire' in the near to mid-term (5 to 10 years). I love that you specifically call out the omnipresent crypto scams, because they are what disappointed me from the whole endeavor once they emerged in the ICO craze. Once 1 bitcoin has price of 500,000 to a few million in USD per individual 'bitcoin' UXTO, it'll be obvious for governments to just start using it, and create dual money systems that are just layers on top of the (maybe single, maybe not) existing, working blockchain, despite its slowness. China is pursuing this now, even in anticipation of large price increases.

IMO Bitcoin is definitely the numeraire of the future, and it is certainly not a sure thing right now but I am extremely certain of this. It then becomes so trivial to do aggregate balance of payments calculations without so much sketchy behavior by fraudulent sovereigns that want to represent their own vision of 'real trade' for various purposes, such as economic warfare.

For non-finance people, numeraire is a representative abstraction of a 'unit of exchange', used to simplify things. You can then idealize situations like having riskless borrowing, which simplifies many formulae. But this is not an accurate portrayal of reality, (look up sovereign defaults, as one example. Greece, Spain, Italy, some Asian countries at different times, Argentina, Venezuela, etc.) So having a numeraire that isn't sovereign would be really impactful in making all economic participants way more honest, outside of the immediate smaller-scale effects of allowing people to get their cryptos ropped by unscrupulous people on the darknet.

From Wiki: "The numéraire is a basic standard by which value is computed. In mathematical economics it is a tradable economic entity in terms of whose price the relative prices of all other tradables are expressed"

Anyways, the Bitcoin protocol could definitely fail, for any number of a few different reasons, but at present barring some kind of major technological paradigm shift that breaks existing cryptography (maybe QC, maybe something different) it is uniquely positioned to become the de-facto standard for all balance of payments activity internationally. Scalability issues are definitely a factor, but hey, the mempool is working its hardest until they rewrite the underlying consensus mechanisms to work at larger scale. But as a settlement system and a darknet unit of exchange, it is extremely clear that this is the first hard asset that won't just vanish at the mercy of sovereigns. Very powerful new technology.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Consider the source, right? How many people without a large vested interest in the propagation and uptake of cryptocurrency consider further growth likely? My guess is that governments will more and more realize that the main utility of blockchains is money laundering and speculation. As has been remarked over and over again, they don't solve any above board problem more efficiently or with lower expense than existin…

Governments make use of money laundering and they're willing to pay quite a bit for it

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hilarious you think Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong doesn't "know what Bitcoin is for." Maybe you don't know what it is for. People that are sane like Mr. Armstrong and Satoshi Nakamoto intended it to be used as a currency. If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he was quite disappointed when Bitcoin decided to not scale past its blistering 7 transactions per second. "Bitcoin can already scale much larger than tha…

I think they are being sarcastic. What they probably mean is "for political/business reasons Coinbase CEO has to tiptoe around Bitcoin's actual purpose".

I mean Armstrong is calling it "economic freedom" so he's not that far off base, in any case.

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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Paying 6%, or even 4%, on a savings account is a MASSIVE red flag to anyone with a bit of financial sense.

Those with loans in the system will have to pay a 6% interest rate. Since not all holders of Dai have savings accounts, this allows for the system to use the interest charged to loan holders to pay out the savings rate while accumulating a surplus. A 6% interest rate on USD would be a red flag, but Dai isn't USD. As far as I know, no banks allow you to use Ether as collateral for a USD loan, so the comparison isn't a…

Who eats the cost when one of these borrowers defaults?

Re: Cryptocurrency in the 2020s

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There are definitely cases where transactions need to be reversed, and this functionality can be built into a clearinghouse system. Immutability is a plus here because you have an unalterable audit log showing the original transaction and then the subsequent transaction that reverses the first. The cost savings comes from the fact that instead of having to hire independent auditors to verify the paper trail, the bloc…

>The cost savings comes from the fact that instead of having to hire independent auditors to verify the paper trail, the blockchain serves as an immutable audit log and can be verified programmatically. I don't know enough about the financial industry to know if a real actual problem is being solved here. I do assume that any bank in this industry is already required by law to keep a record of all transactions, and t…

>> You'd have to hire an auditor to verify the blockchain software too

No. You wouldn't.

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