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Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #156
sooheon wrote: post #149

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Toggles, buttons, sliders, look like they could be on a white plastic physical device. Flat for sure but more skeuomorphic than macOS in its current state imo.

To me the elementary theme looks like a slightly more flat/matte version of the Mavericks version of Aqua. It might not be in style these days but I like it a lot.

I so happen to have spent the past month working on a mostly-fruitless attempt to get Mavericks running on modern hardware, so I certainly understand the viewpoint. But I can't say I see the similarity at all. Have you looked at a Mavericks machine recently? https://512pixels.net/projects/aqua-screenshot-library/os-x-...

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

outside1234 wrote: post #151

Wow - this looks great. Keep up the great work - I will have to find time to install and try it over the slow holiday period.

I will probably do the same - I tried using the last release (Juno) as a daily driver and found it to be a little more effort than stock Ubuntu (mostly around getting PPAs going, Flatpak support may make that less necessary). I suppose the obvious competitor at this point for "beautiful Ubuntu derivative" is Deepin[1] but I found it to be even more difficult to configure and install stuff on.

1: https://www.deepin.org/en/

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Post by eikenberry »

m-p-3 wrote: post #99
eptcyka wrote: post #67

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I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.

If you can get a hold on a Windows 7 or 8 license, you can still upgrade it for free to Windows 10. Might be worth it if they're heavily discounted.

Can you do a fresh Windows 10 install using a Windows 7 license? Installing Windows 7 on modern hardware can be a real PITA.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by eikenberry »

Theizestooke wrote: post #70
kuon wrote: post #64

While I use i3 on archlinux, I think elementary OS looks great and is a great alternative for less tech savvy users. I am very grateful to the elementary OS community for it existence. One other alternative could be Cinnamon.

Ease of use and UI preferences have nothing to do with tech saviness.

Not exactly, but it takes tech savviness to put together a nice UI that is easy to use.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by rehemiau »

cassidyjames wrote: post #157
rehemiau wrote: post #131

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Does elementary still return their release codename instead of the base ubuntu release for `lsb_release -cs` in shell?

Yes, because elementary OS is not Ubuntu. In the past, we carried newer versions of GTK or other core libraries, so pretending to be Ubuntu would actually do more harm than good. However, we have added an `--upstream` or `-u` flag to lsb_release like other Linux-based OSes to point to an upstream release if the downstream release is not supported. I believe this has been adopted for installers of tools like Ruby and…

Makes sense, I hope all installer tools will start using it

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Post by SirLotsaLocks »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #104
1Y3 wrote: post #100

I love the idea of having a Linux distro that emulates macOS, but I see no point in copying only the vague look, when it still differs in basic functionality, like using different keyboard shortcuts. I don’t understand why (based on semi-thorough googling in the past) it is not possible to change all shortcuts to be like macOS (cmd-c instead of ctrl-c etc.)

As much as elementary clearly takes inspiration from macOS, the developers have been quite clear that they're not trying to make a mac clone. You can agree or disagree with that mission, but it is what it is.

Yeah, I like the fact that they took the style, and built off of it. it gives it personality.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by nonford150 »

stOneskull wrote: post #59
jonny383 wrote: post #23

Serious question time. What benefit will I get from running something like Elementary over Ubuntu? Forgive my ignorance, but honestly the whole OS looks like it's just a fork of Ubuntu with a couple of swapped in applications, and a GTK3 theme on top of GNOME trying to make it look like a ten year old version of macOS. I hate to be so negative, but the "new greeter" they are showing looks like something from Windows…

I think it's worse than other Ubuntu distros as they lock it down "for my own safety". But for parents and other people not too good with computers it's a good windows alternative

This. When my FIL died he had about 10 versions of Thinkpads in his apartment of various ages and capabilities. I installed Juno and gave them to many of the family with limited computer experience (think 75-90 year olds). Their experience has been great!

Now the only problem is when they find out there's a new version I'll be spending Christmas week in NY updating a whole bunch of computers.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by sparkling »

ripdog wrote: post #98
sparkling wrote: post #50

I've been using Elementary as my main OS for ~4 years now. No complaints. Everything runs smooth and nice. However, since they build on the latest Ubuntu LTS release the Kernel is slighlty outdated and may not support the latest hardware. This can be fixed easily using a little tool called "ukuu" that will install a newer kernel for you https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu

What a spectacular hack! Instead of going around your package manager in such a spectacular fashion, why not just switch to a distro which provides an up-to-date kernel along with associated packages. For example, how does this program handle proprietary Nvidia drivers?

It's not a "hack". This tool uses the official Kernel packages from the corresponding Ubuntu LTS repository.

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Post by scythe »

m0zg wrote: post #28
aksx wrote: post #19

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Why do you hope so? Vala is a decent language which let's users build Gtk applications easily.

Because most people aren't going to learn yet another language for the privilege of being able to contribute to something.

Vala is about as easy to learn as any language could ever be. If you have experience with Java, C++, C# or D you can probably already read 97% of Vala code. And if it’s your first statically typed language, it’s one of the simplest.

Plus, most people don’t know most languages, so no matter what you choose, most devs have a language barrier. Vala, again, is very easy to pick up — certainly easier than C or C++ and probably easier than Java/C#/D.

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