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Our outward appearance can and do represent what values we identify with. But saying "I'm worthy because I am beautiful" is shallow, which is just another way of saying empty, vain, and without substance. Besides, why would someone want their worth to come from beauty, which is so fleeting? True and lasting beauty is in virtue, even non-religious people admire the sacrifices of soldiers for the sake of freedom, or th…

> Physical beauty is empty and devoid of merit. I get where you're coming from, as my personal values have this element in them as well. I'm probably heavily influenced by my Protestant upbringing, which also gives me the moral that "laying moral judgement on others is a vanity." That said, it's also interesting to look at moral themes and personal values through the lens of cultural evolution. For the vast majority…

> laying moral judgement on others is a vanity

To help form our morals, we have to judge everything. This is an integral part of turning life experience into wisdom. But this isn't the same as judging people. I cannot know what's inside the mind and heart of my neighbor, even if he does something extremely evil. So I cannot condemn him for doing evil. I can condemn the evil itself, but I cannot condemn him, which is just another way of saying that he is not salvageable. Because people can change. I recognized this even before I was a Christian. That's also why it says of Jesus: "he will not quench a smoldering wick."

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"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity." The words vanity and vain come from the Latin word for empty, or without substance or value. When we alter our appearance, it's because we put value or merit in something that inherently has no merit. We all want a reason to hold our head up high. Some look for it in athletics, others in academia, others in financial success. This woman looked for it by faking her physical appeara…

No need for imaginary beings to enter the picture. One just has to put value in experience and originality. When every scar and wrinkle is a sign that you have lived a bit more than others, that you have become wiser, that you have more interesting stories to tell, then it becomes easier to be proud of being older and be attracted to older people. When you value uniqueness over conformity, then it becomes easier to b…

> When you value uniqueness over conformity, then it becomes easier to be proud to be (and be attracted to) less conventionally-shaped people.

This is merely a justification for self gratification through inordinate love of food and drink. There's a natural shame about being overweight, and it's unfortunate that people encourage others to push past that. Even non-religious people can see that this is unhealthy and just plain bad for us. I was about 50lbs overweight for a few years, but I never let go of the shame that it brought me, knowing it would mean giving up on my only hope of getting back to a healthy weight.

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No need for imaginary beings to enter the picture. One just has to put value in experience and originality. When every scar and wrinkle is a sign that you have lived a bit more than others, that you have become wiser, that you have more interesting stories to tell, then it becomes easier to be proud of being older and be attracted to older people. When you value uniqueness over conformity, then it becomes easier to b…

> When you value uniqueness over conformity, then it becomes easier to be proud to be (and be attracted to) less conventionally-shaped people. This is merely a justification for self gratification through inordinate love of food and drink. There's a natural shame about being overweight, and it's unfortunate that people encourage others to push past that. Even non-religious people can see that this is unhealthy and ju…

Man, I spoke of scars and wrinkles and you read "fat". In that particular paragraph you quote, I was thinking of people with asymmetrical features, or other features generally considered unattractive. Not once I considered weight. I would argue that you might be unhealthily obsessed with the subject of obesity and appearance.

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> When you value uniqueness over conformity, then it becomes easier to be proud to be (and be attracted to) less conventionally-shaped people. This is merely a justification for self gratification through inordinate love of food and drink. There's a natural shame about being overweight, and it's unfortunate that people encourage others to push past that. Even non-religious people can see that this is unhealthy and ju…

Man, I spoke of scars and wrinkles and you read "fat". In that particular paragraph you quote, I was thinking of people with asymmetrical features, or other features generally considered unattractive. Not once I considered weight. I would argue that you might be unhealthily obsessed with the subject of obesity and appearance.

The thread we're in is about appearance and partially about weight. And people who argue that obesity is not a problem generally use phrases like "unconventionally shaped". So I still think it was a reasonable guess at what you meant.

But I agree with you that those wrinkles are battle scars, that gray hair is the potential for wisdom, and that youth is not something to hang onto as if it were virtue itself.

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Male beauty is not valued as highly among men and women as female beauty. It's all too easy to speculate on the evolutionary and sociocultural reasons why, but it is the reality.

Are you kidding? My office is located next door to a gym (which I use). Guys care a _lot_ about their beauty.

I personally work out five days a week and have a skin care routine. But my comment still stands: female beauty is valued more highly than male beauty. I did not say male beauty wasn't valued - I'm saying it's valued less than female beauty.

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>There is no trick without some mutual agreement on what will be given in return. Says who? You? Even though I think you're being purposely obtuse, here's the definition. >a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone She used a filter to appear attractive to lonely men who will send her money. What is difficult to understand here? >You are parroting the same bullshit, chauvinist reasoning…

If you bothered to RTFA, you would see that she disclosed that she was using a filter. My analogy still stands. She wasn't promising anything in return for their money. There was no trick.

>The Global Times reports that all was as normal and that her fans urged her to show her face and remove her filter but she refused, instead apparently saying: "I can't show my face until I receive gifts worth 100,000 yuan ($11,950). After all, I'm a good-looking host."

She is not "a good looking host", as evidenced by the mass Exodus from her stream after showing her face accidentally. She lied to get donations. This is all very obvious.

>My analogy still stands. She wasn't promising anything in return for their money. There was no trick

No it doesn't and you're inventing your own definition of the word "trick".

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David Foster Wallace predicted not only that, but its rise and fall. http://declineofscarcity.com/?page_id=2527

Great Read! I'm reminded of a Nebula(?) Award winning short story about hive-rats interacting with nobility in the 'future'. The nobility is shrouded in apperance/voice/stim tech such that the AIs are more the person than anything. A princess is brought to the under-city by her father to a shop that can fix the princess' tech, as it is malfunctioning. The daughter of the shop owner tries to peer into the princess' li…

I'm really curios about it, do you remember at least the year?
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