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Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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America’s success was the direct result of ethnic cleansing of millions of Native Americans and the backbreaking labor of millions of slaves. The comparison is ridiculous. We were the exploiters.

No it wasn't. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. Why do you think the slave-free north was much richer than the south, before the civil war? If slavery makes a country rich, why isn't Africa rich? Why wasn't Brazil, which imported ~4 million slaves (compare to ~200k for USA) significantly richer than the USA? Native Americans had slaves: > "An exhaustive search of some 725 late 18th/early 19th century ethnohistoric…

> Why do you think the slave-free north was much richer than the south, before the civil war?

Because the North had a diversified, industrialized economy, while the South specialized in cotton production.

But the North never could have diversified in this way if it weren't for the South. First because slave-grown cotton was a major source of capital for the overall US economy - it provided over half of all US export earnings. Second, because the demand for textile factories, meat processing plants, insurance, shippers etc. in the over-specialized South is precisely what created a market for the North to diversify into.

This is on top of the fact that the North itself had slaves for a long time, from initial settlement to abolition many decades later.

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Did anyone else find the 350M number implausible? They claim it happened in 12 hours. Unless they're talking about planting seeds, I find it hard to believe and take this story just as a political stunt. Ethiopia's population is 100M. Did 10% participate in this somehow, and each person plant 35 trees across the country? How would you even get that many trees to plant?

"The average British Columbian planter plants 1 600 trees per day,[5] but it is not uncommon for experienced planters to plant up to 4,000 trees per day"

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_planting

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Did anyone else find the 350M number implausible? They claim it happened in 12 hours. Unless they're talking about planting seeds, I find it hard to believe and take this story just as a political stunt. Ethiopia's population is 100M. Did 10% participate in this somehow, and each person plant 35 trees across the country? How would you even get that many trees to plant?

I have a friend who has a small business doing, well I actually have no clue what the English word for it is, but its direct translation would be “Nature Nursing/Care taking”. A descriptive translation would be something like a wild nature gartner. I asked him and he said it would be little trouble to plant that many seedlings if you coordinates the efforts and planned for it. He also told me that these stunts, like…

> Because the hard part isn’t planting trees it’s making sure they survive the first five years.

Which is interesting because the article already mentions a lack of water resources:

>> as Ethiopians heeded Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed’s ambitious plan to roll back years of drought and scanty rains that the United Nations says has left some 3.8 million people in immediate need for assistance.

Won't these new trees demand a lot of water?

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Except living standards are improving in Africa and have been for a while outside actively unstable regions. Underdeveloped Africa is actually a good but risky place to invest partly because or diminished returns run backwards - smaller investments can get bigger returns but they are more vulnerable to things like economic downturns. And fortunately that also boosts efficiency to sustain the resource needs.

I have a few funds invested that target Africa. They have consistently underperformed even in this bullish market. But like a compulsive gambler I hang onto them wishing and hoping this time things are going to turn around. Africa may be a good investment, but the inflection point may take decades to arrive.

You might want to target eastern Africa. Not all countries, but Ethiopia and maybe some countries in the EAC (especially if the constitution is accepted by all). As long as western Africa does not break free from the CFA, i don't see any equivalent there anytime soon.

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Seems a bit suspicious to me. You can't plant a tree in 5 minutes while making sure that it will actually keep growing.

Ofcourse you can. In summer Jobs while at school , planting 100 trees in an hour is pretty doable.

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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How so? When replanting clear cuts here in Sweden with pine or fir each tree takes a few seconds to plant - you stamp your tool in to the ground which makes a hole, drop the plant down, stomp the ground and then your off to the next. There is also no need to tend to them afterwards (except treatment to deter deer/elks).

Which is a scattergun approach, no? What's the survival rate? I'd guess 1:100 if you're not tending them. But, in Ethiopia many of those trees are going to need watering, surely? Protecting from people gathering firewood? Sweden and Ethiopia seem pretty different wrt tree planting?

You do it like this https://youtu.be/VbBDX9ySk60 , 80-90% survival rate is common

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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Edit: Damn. I think OP was being sarcastic. A quick look through the comment history shows a different view than the one expressed in the comment. I removed the downvote. ---Original comment--- Here's why I downvoted you: - It doesn't matter if the water is clean or dirty because that's not what's causing climate change. - The United States was the second largest emitter of carbon dioxide in 2015. CO2 is a leading ca…

The term "bigly"... ...might also be a marker of sarcasm here.

I also think it was sarcasm, but I agree it was not nicely done.

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

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post #107

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The US already has the cleanest of water and air. No need to do anything when you are leading the others bigly.

Oh man, that just shot over a few heads..

To be fair the only real giveaway was "bigly", which was subtle. Otherwise I've heard people try to make this exact argument. "Well the air isn't all smoggy so I don't know what you all are so worried about."

Re: Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought and Climate Change

#170

Did anyone else find the 350M number implausible? They claim it happened in 12 hours. Unless they're talking about planting seeds, I find it hard to believe and take this story just as a political stunt. Ethiopia's population is 100M. Did 10% participate in this somehow, and each person plant 35 trees across the country? How would you even get that many trees to plant?

3.5 trees per person, not 35.
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