“My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

Post by riku_iki » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 4:03 AM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #134

riku_iki wrote: post #124

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Russia would severely punish people who wants to be part of other country (not Russia). It is in both countries (Ukraine and Russia) constitution, that it is against the law to separate territory without country-wide voting.

But the discussion is not about what Russia or Ukraine would do, instead, it is about American companies punishing people living in a territory that is now separate from Ukraine.

Post by shmerl » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 4:08 AM UTC

shitgoose wrote: post #161

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> people living in Crimea are Russian citizens and have been for 5 years Russia pressured people, but they could refuse accepting citizenship (though those doing so get a lot of practical troubles there, up to persecution). They can't really force citizenship on unwilling people, despite trying.

are there any examples of people in Crimea having been persecuted because they refused to accept Russian citizenship and kept Ukrainian passports? Crimea fell off the tree without single shot fired. that tells something. also, do not forget famous saying by Ukrainian nationalists - "Crimea will be Ukrainian territory or uninhabited": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXtBe-uZcPM where the danger for people of Crimea wa…

Post by my_first_acct » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 4:13 AM UTC

lacampbell wrote: post #125

my_first_acct wrote: post #57

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I think your numbers are probably correct. I don't happen to know another number: how many people in Chechnya would rather be independent than part of Russia. But it doesn't matter; the Russian government is very selective about how it applies the "right to self-determination". The Russian government is likewise selective in its interpretation of the Budapest agreement (1994) [1], in which Russia guaranteed Ukraine's…

But it doesn't matter; the Russian government is very selective about how it applies the "right to self-determination". That's the crux of the issue I think. To be consistent you would surely have to support both Chechnya and Crimea having the right to self-determination - or neither having the right to self-determination. EDIT: So let me ask you - do you support both, or neither?

Post by cronix » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 4:15 AM UTC

kragen wrote: post #87

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Why do you say you could publish pro-soviet material in the USA during the cold war? My understanding is that this is not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism > In 1952, the Supreme Court upheld a lower-court decision in Adler v. Board of Education of New York, thus approving a law that allowed state loyalty review boards to fire teachers deemed "subversive". It had certainly cooled down from outright McCa…

My stepgrandmother was part of the Communist Party USA and continued distributing their newspapers and trying to recruit people until she died. I don't want to softpedal the human-rights abuses that happened in the US, but in fact even the Smith Act prosecutions only imprisoned a dozen people — there was nothing like the gulags in the US (until the War on Drugs, anyway), and it was not difficult to find out the Sovie…

Post by jessaustin » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 4:26 AM UTC

ralph84 wrote: post #163

jessaustin wrote: post #137

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This is quibbling over terminology. Venezuela is in a deep depression caused by USA sanctions. Moving them from one list to another would make no difference to the daily experience of the average Venezuelan. This lawyering also completely undercuts your original "nothing to see here; move along people!" argument.

GitHub is not blocking Venezuela. The list a country is on is more than just a matter of terminology.