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Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by gruez »

realusername wrote: post #64
gruez wrote: post #46

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Yeah, let's fork the client and make it decentralized[1], and write an open source version of the server[2] so people can host their own instances! [1] https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Distributed-Git-Distributed-W... [2] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org

I like Gitlab but that's not exactly what I have in mind, I think about something more similar to torrents. The problem with everyone having their own instance without discoverability & interoperability between them is that you lose most of the value of Github.

>I like Gitlab but that's not exactly what I have in mind, I think about something more similar to torrents

So everyone runs their own gitlab instance, and there's some sort of gitlab "tracker" that you can search through?

>without discoverability

What is this "discoverability" you speak of? If you want a library to do "foo", do you search up "foo" on github and look through the repositories? Is this better than searching up "foo" on google?

>& interoperability

The only "interoperability" I can think of is for pull requests, and I do agree that having to make an account on the instance and push to it to make a PR is a pain. This can easily be solved by allowing remote git repos to be used as PR sources, and using social sign in for account creation (so you don't need to create an account to create contribute).

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by reallydude »

fortran77 wrote: post #83
realusername wrote: post #36

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Why do we always have a comment like this completely missing the point about Github? If git was synonymous of Github, Microsoft would not have spent 7 billion to buy it, there's a lot of features on top of git. And for me, whether it's a decision of the US government or Github does not matter much.

Maybe Microsoft missed the point of it! I don't use github. I use Amazon CodeCommit. The fact is, github adds value because it isn't "decentralized". And any organization that runs something will have people that disagree with it and/or government regulations it will need to follow. git, however, it nicely distributed and you can host a repo anywhere you want and be discoverable through other means.

> The fact is, github adds value because it isn't "decentralized"

Exactly. It's the most popular brand, same as Disney buying Hulu. Not to make Hulu into Disney, but to bring the customers into an arena for control. While I do not use github, npm does, for example.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by my_first_acct »

option wrote: post #70
my_first_acct wrote: post #57

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I think your numbers are probably correct. I don't happen to know another number: how many people in Chechnya would rather be independent than part of Russia. But it doesn't matter; the Russian government is very selective about how it applies the "right to self-determination". The Russian government is likewise selective in its interpretation of the Budapest agreement (1994) [1], in which Russia guaranteed Ukraine's…

I agree with what you said. But this means that US/West sanctions people for their democratic choice. We should instead sanction people associated with Russia’s totalitarian government.

The US has in fact sanctioned Russian officials associated with the annexation of Crimea. [1]

You might also spare some sympathy for those residents of Crimea who did not wish to join the Russian Federation, for example, many Crimean Tatars. Not only have they suffered the loss of access to github, they also have to contend with a campaign of political repression. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_sanctioned_duri...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea#Crimean_Tat...

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by ShinTakuya »

stonogo wrote: post #53
ShinTakuya wrote: post #44

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I don't like what's going in Crimea either, and I support most sanctions against it, but I also don't understand why they should be excluded from open source software participation. On an idealogical basis I reject the idea of OSS being politicised. Otherwise, where do we stop?

Reality dictates that politics are inherent in human society. You are not above it, and neither is your hobby. Ignoring society is a privilege that never lasts.

Yeah I understand the reality of the situation, I probably shouldn't have said "I don't understand" in my comment. I just think it's a shame. I don't contribute to OSS, but I also think it's more than a "hobby". I'd rather see it as an international movement. I hope that one day the UN or something similar provides an equivalent service to Github without commercial interests. Even the UN is heavily politicised, but I don't like that the US alone gets to dictate what happens to some of the most important repositories of shared human technological knowledge when those repositories have been heavily contributed to by citizens of countries other than the US.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by lostlogin »

ShinTakuya wrote: post #44
dogma1138 wrote: post #35

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Because Crimea is a defacto Russian state now and for the most part a large portion of the population and the current government is participating in it. The sanctions are for the most part per the request of the Ukrainian government. If Catalonia becomes a separatist state tomorrow and Spain and its allies sanction it everyone in it will be under sanctions regardless of who or what they support. This is what happens…

I don't like what's going in Crimea either, and I support most sanctions against it, but I also don't understand why they should be excluded from open source software participation. On an idealogical basis I reject the idea of OSS being politicised. Otherwise, where do we stop?

This sort of argument is usually applied to sports.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by coliveira »

hihi123 wrote: post #100
avocado4 wrote: post #24

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Why do they sanction Crimea (victim) instead of Russia?

Why are you referring to Crimea as a victim? Their desire to leave the Ukraine has been well-documented since the beginning. See this amusing article from 1994 in the NYT for an example [1]: > A separatist candidate who wants Crimea to leave Ukraine and integrate with Russia won more than 70 percent of the vote today in run-off presidential elections, preliminary results showed. His victory sets the stage for a direc…

If, as you say, people want to be part of Russia, what is the difference? Do they need to be punished for wanting to be part of another country?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by kragen »

duxup wrote: post #61
kragen wrote: post #6

During the Cold War, the primary thing that distinguished the US side from the USSR side was that, while speech by USSR people and people sympathetic to the USSR (like, say, CPUSA) was published in the US, publishing speech sympathetic to the US in the USSR would get you arrested. It seems like the US has become what the USSR was: companies who publish speech from people in Iran or Crimea are now violating the law by…

I'm fairly certain you could publish the kind of speech you are referencing in the US or any other nation with similar sanctions right now with no problems. Not so much free speech in Russia.

Yes, the situation of freedom of speech in Russia is very bad right now, though not nearly as bad as under Stalin. I'm not sure what the modern equivalent would be of the Communist Party USA's 1948 platform; maybe propaganda in support of Daesh or something?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by ShinTakuya »

chr1 wrote: post #41
avocado4 wrote: post #24

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Why do they sanction Crimea (victim) instead of Russia?

Maybe because people setting sanctions know that Crimea is not a victim, and most of its population supported joining Russia, and hope that making their life harder may reduce the support.

I don't support Crimea's situation because I'm not a fan of the Russian government, but to play devil's advocate, if Crimea were to be returned to Ukraine, wouldn't that then make Crimea a victim given it's not what its people desire? So the sanctions are in favour of making Crimea a victim?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by pizza »

jchook wrote: post #96
avocado4 wrote: post #24

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Why do they sanction Crimea (victim) instead of Russia?

If you want a long but clear image of the Russian geopolitical chess game, read "The Fourth Political Theory". Putin loves this book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Political_Theory

Just out of curiosity (not judging), what concrete observation makes you say Putin supports Duginism, as opposed to, say, Dugin said some things years ago that just now coincide with some recent news?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by ConcernedCoder »

narrowingorbits wrote: post #90
quaquaqua1 wrote: post #88

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>for the most part the population is participating in it If anyone ever dared to assert that I support US war mongering just because I live the US..... lord

With taxes, you do.

Yeah, instead you can show your solidarity against it by going to federal prison for tax evasion...
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