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Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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The state of the debate is unsatisfactory. Google employees such as Justin Schuh are aggressively defending the move on tech/security principles and denying commercial motivations, while uBlock Origin dev (Raymond Hill) says the change will cripple or kill uBO on Chrome and evil motives are its raison d'être . It's good that mainstream media articles raise the awareness of the issue, but a good technical discussion b…

The existing webRequest API lets extensions run arbitrary third-party code over all the requests you make, and Chrome won't process the request until it's done. That inevitably means that a badly written extension can hurt page loading performance, and a malicious extension can get a lot of sensitive data about you. Whatever Google's true motivation is, there's no way to solve those problems without limiting the powe…

The performance concern can be addressed by monitoring it and informing the user when extensions slow down page loads.

The security concern is difficult to solve (more fine-grained permissions might help), but also seems a bit disingenuous since extensions can also inject code into the HTML of all sites and already syphon off a lot of data if they want to. Sure, it's a sharp knife, but some tough issues require sharp tools.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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On Linux, I have "OpenH264 Video Codec by Cisco" and "Widevine Content Decryption Module by Google" as Firefox addons. This seems to be the norm [0], as Firefox will download them on-demand so long as the user agrees. [0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

Says here the Cisco codec allows you to use H.264 in WebRTC with gstreamer and Firefox. It does not enable generic H.264 playback, only WebRTC. https://github.com/cisco/openh264/issues/2835 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

Because generic support for H264 in Firefox came in Firefox 43, four years ago. If Firefox finds ffmpeg, it uses it.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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I hope to see Firefox eventually providing an embeddable framework, considering that Chromium isn't just monopolising the web browser space... it's spreading into desktop applications through Electron. Left unchecked, Google will manage to poke its fingers into every pie within reach. It seems like the ideal solution of using the OS's native web toolkit hasn't been successful so far. So the next best offering (aside…

Sticking to the apple ecosystem will essentially avoid this fiasco with relying on electron apps. Basically i see three developer types right now: windows, apple, Linux for primary (personal and office). Sticking to apple allows you to sidestep this windows cluster f of expensive apps and shitty electron apps, and the Linux void of polished apps.

When I switched from Windows to Mac a while back it struck me that I needed to rely on paid apps a lot more. There seemed to be more quality freeware for Windows.

I'm also running a fair few Electron apps on my Mac at the moment.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Safari is the fastest browser I've ever used on mobile. It also supports ad blocking. Calling it "terrible" simply does not resonate with me. Chrome is slower and Firefox on mobile is a joke.

Have you tried Brave browser on mobile? It's quite fast and blocks ads. A couple issues with Safari I've seen since it's slower to adopt web standards: - buggier websites from devs who don't have iPhones. Since there are some quirky inconsistencies with how webkit handles css vs other browser rendering engines it's easy not to catch those quirks if you don't have an iPhone to check them with. And once users point the…

> For instance, Safari doesn't allow localstorage while in incognito

It does allow (at least in the version I'm using), but doesn't persist the data between sessions. Which is the whole point of Icognito mode.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Have you tried Brave browser on mobile? It's quite fast and blocks ads. A couple issues with Safari I've seen since it's slower to adopt web standards: - buggier websites from devs who don't have iPhones. Since there are some quirky inconsistencies with how webkit handles css vs other browser rendering engines it's easy not to catch those quirks if you don't have an iPhone to check them with. And once users point the…

> For instance, Safari doesn't allow localstorage while in incognito. Isn't that good for privacy? Localstorage can store unique IDs and other data about the client's past behavior, it's much more dangerous than cookies.

It would be nice if localstorage worked in a new instance in incognito. This way webapps that require it can still function without affecting non-incognito tabs. What other privacy concerns would there be I'm wondering?

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Great to see mainstream media picking this up and giving Firefox some exposure. With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable (cross platform) alternative. FF gaining back a solid amount of market share is critical for the browser ecosystem in the future. (Personally I switched back to FF after the first Quantum release, which brought performance back on par with Chrome. On mobile, the ad block…

>With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable (cross platform) alternative. FF gaining back a solid amount of market share is critical for the browser ecosystem in the future Why are multiple rendering and JS engines critical for the browser ecosystem? Everyone would be much better off if we standardized on one.

I don't think so. Google is abusing their power with Chrome to force their standards on others. I hope they lose their grip on the browser market like MS did, and standards become open.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned: Chrome OS. I have two Chrome OS devices that are useless without adblock. They can't handle the real internet. And who would want to buy a Chrome OS device that could?

My Chromebox is my most used computer in my house (it powers the living room TV) so this'll be a real inconvenience for my family.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Great to see mainstream media picking this up and giving Firefox some exposure. With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable (cross platform) alternative. FF gaining back a solid amount of market share is critical for the browser ecosystem in the future. (Personally I switched back to FF after the first Quantum release, which brought performance back on par with Chrome. On mobile, the ad block…

I just wish they finally fixed the bug that makes it unusable for me and thousands of other users using macbooks with resolution set to "more space"... I can't count how many people in my office I've had to help after their macbook randomly starts heating and turning fans to max power, it's always that they started using firefox. I've been checking the tickets associated with the issue (mainly [this one]( https://bug…

It's not just that. Exporting Passwords from Chrome to FF is impossible in macOS. Not a day goes by that I don't have to enter my password for a website. Thus, switching to FF actually means re-entering tens of passwords manually (given that you do remember the passwords, otherwise you'll have to go to Passwords Manager in Chrome and see the saved passwords).
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