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Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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Who am I going to listen to, the man who taught me more than I ever could ever imagine (and is now retired and giving away his millions) or some stranger who thinks he knows better? I often share thoughts like this in the OP's spirit of "pass it on" so that it may benefit someone else. Take it or leave it. But doubting it, commenting on what it "seems", or downvoting it only makes you look like a fool. [Sorry for the…

Of course you're free to listen to whomever you like; I wish you would take my comment more as an alternative viewpoint than as an insult. I do appreciate the sentiment of your story, that people should help others, but personally I think the attitude "it'll all work out in the end" ruins more lives than it saves.

Again, like most discussions on HN these days, the arguments seem to be turning towards mistaking general, rule-of-thumb kinda anecdotal advice as gospel truth and then trying to beat it into a provably correct or provably incorrect corner. Why not take it with a grain, or thimbleful (per taste), of salt and then giving it a shot in real life (IRL?)? If you really disagree so strongly then why not write the underlying reason(s) for your view(s)? Perhaps that would make for more interesting reading!

Now before you take it as a rebuttal, let me start by saying the reason why I agree with edw519's response to the OP is borne of a basic human instinct that people a generally good. I like to believe that and would like to continue doing so. However, I have run into a fair share of douches and vampires who have made me want to reverse my viewpoint. Yet again, there have been many selfless acts from strangers, both big and small, to continue warrant giving humanity in general the benefit of doubt.

In the end, I keep paraphrasing Lester Burnham's thoughts: You cannot stay mad at life for too long. Every something happens that makes you hate it, the next moment it will do something that makes you love with it all over again. Damn! I guess I am just another die-hard optimist. :-)

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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A story like this still doesn't make me want to pick up hitchhikers. I used to live in the metro-Detroit area and there have been at least 3 or 4 cases in the past year where people have been robbed at gunpoint by alleged hitchhikers. This is what makes me think that this country has gone to hell.

The sources of information you place value in purposely use that narrative in order to capture your attention long enough to sell their advertising partners' products. Fear is the most powerful attention mechanism available.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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If you live in IA, MN, ND etc. (I'm sure other places, but these are the places I've lived), this story won't seem very out of the ordinary. Once when I was in college, I flew to Arizona for Thanksgiving, then back to ND on a Monday to go to class. When I got back, it was one of the worst snowstorms of the year. It was horrible. The school was closed, the roads had been closed that night, snow seemed to just be mater…

The ulterior motive of "rejection therapy" doesn't really vibe well with me.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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The story is great, but the tile (and supposedly the moral of the story) is wrong. We should not do good deeds for some expected (or hoped-for) compensation or reward - on this world, or the other world. We should just do it.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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I know it's too late in this article's life for this comment to be read by many people, but I just wanted to add for the record that I think at least some of the aversion to helping people comes from the fear mongering of the media and some parts of the government. When everyone could be a terrorist, anything out of the ordinary is terrifying.

Fortunately it isn't always like that; for example, when my rear-wheel-drive car's traction control failed during a blizzard (due to being turned off for a brief second as a foolish experiment), and I found myself stuck off the side of a rural road, at least six different people stopped to ask if I needed help before my tow arrived, one of them even getting out of her car.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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Funny, as I read this post I thought, "Not hacker news." Then I read all the comments (42 as of this writing) and still thought, "Not hacker news." Then I realized, "Perfect hacker news." Let me explain... I try to approach my business just as the Mexicans in the story did. Not to make money, not to change the world, not to build cool stuff (well maybe just a little), but to genuinely help people. For a business pers…

A wonderful story that restores my faith in humanity, just a little bit (and reminds me why coming to HN may be worthwhile, despite the nasty bickering it devolves into at times -- it still remains a good filter for finding worthwhile reading material).

It is easy to be generous when life is easy, the true test of a person's heart lies in their actions during times of personal adversity.

It is easy to lose hope, more so during hardship, when it is needed most. This story is one of those faint glimmers that may help someone make one choice versus another and start a chain of paying it forward. So, yes, thanks for sharing it OP.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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Having read the story and read a lot of the posts and discussion in this thread, a few thoughts come to mind:

1) I once had a flat tire that a homeless person offered to change. Yes, he was hoping to make a few bucks. I was still very ill at the time and desperately needed to get something to eat. Having him change it meant it got done faster than if I had tried to call someone, which mattered because every minute counts when my blood sugar is low. We talked while he worked and I found out he had been staying in a cheap dive of a hotel and was trying to come up with enough to sleep there that night instead of the streets. I gave him $60. I later found out it would have cost less to call someone. I didn't care. It was worth it to me to get to an eatery a few minutes faster. My blood sugar was low and I was really in crisis. I had a "middle class" lifestyle but in some sense was in no less need than the homeless man.

2) I think the whole generosity thing is typical of successful business people because creating something of value is what makes them successful. "Business people" who are little more than con artists and are doing their best to separate you from your money without really creating something of value often land in jail or just go out of business when folks realize it isn't worth what they spent. It isn't always obvious in the short run, but in the long run creating something of real value is the only way to stay in business and make money. It seems to be counterintuitive to many, yet "pay it forward" and similar philosophies are rooted in that same idea/value/orientation of doing something of real value in the world.

3) I tend to live by the idea that if you want to live in a better world, the best way to make sure you do is roll your sleeves up and get to work on it. So in some sense, I am generous to other people out of selfishness, though I can't quite think how to explain that.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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If you live in IA, MN, ND etc. (I'm sure other places, but these are the places I've lived), this story won't seem very out of the ordinary. Once when I was in college, I flew to Arizona for Thanksgiving, then back to ND on a Monday to go to class. When I got back, it was one of the worst snowstorms of the year. It was horrible. The school was closed, the roads had been closed that night, snow seemed to just be mater…

I grew up in Iowa and then moved the bay area after college, and the lack of empathy and community spirit really struck me. When I was in high school and there was a snow day, my friends and I would drive around with shovels looking for people who were stuck so we could push them out. Sure, there wasn't much else to do in Iowa :) but it was fun, and helped people.

I went to Tahoe a few years ago with my brother and some friends, and the friends were shocked when us Iowans made them pull over so we could get a car out.

Some things just have to be different though. As a kid I remember asking people for a quarter because I needed to use a payphone. But requests for spare change in the Haight just aren't reasonable to process. Once I tried to ask passersby on Valencia if I could quickly use their cell phone though, and after asking about 50 people just gave up.

On the other hand, I've gotten into road biking out here, and every single time I've gotten a flat the next biker along has stopped to see if they can help.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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The story is great, but the tile (and supposedly the moral of the story) is wrong. We should not do good deeds for some expected (or hoped-for) compensation or reward - on this world, or the other world. We should just do it.

"Hoy por tí, mañana por mí" is about empathy, not about literally expecting future reciprocation. In more practical terms, it's a polite way to refuse being rewarded for something done out of kindness.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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I believe that there is a universal law of compensation. You get what you give. You help somebody - then some time in the future somebody will help you. This "universal law" is what makes open source work.

I think it's more like you give what you get. Especially in the case of open source. Altruistic trends are kickstarted by idealistic or exceptionally kind souls, and then many people join in inspired by the example, or sometimes just conforming to expectations.
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