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Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by monochromatic »

anticensor wrote: post #155
userbinator wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

No one forced you to use Windows 10. You could have used ReactOS.

I was pretty happy with Windows 7.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by RaleyField »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #153
salvar wrote: post #151

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I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.

Enumerate some of them?

How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1].

Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again).

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

RaleyField wrote: post #162
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enumerate some of them?

How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1]. Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s

>How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel

Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget /s

>on this laptop I get shorter battery life >bluetooth headset doesn't work

Better points. I also have had issues with bluetooth audio on Linux. Battery life less so.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by kup0 »

anticensor wrote: post #155
userbinator wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

No one forced you to use Windows 10. You could have used ReactOS.

So when one chooses a platform/OS (or even if one is looking from afar- as I don't seen any claim by OP that they are using Windows 10), they have no right to complain about it?

I don't understand this type of argument.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by tobi1449 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #99
kitsunesoba wrote: post #76

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It’s definitely not full OOTB on any machine using Broadcom wifi/Bluetooth, and sometimes not even Ubuntu’s additional drivers tool is of no help — if you have no reasonable access to alternate network connections (hardwire, tethering, etc) you’re stuck ferrying around .deb files on thumb drives and such. There are other less than ideal aspects of taking up Linux as well, but that one is on the top of my head because…

> you’re stuck ferrying around .deb files on thumb drives and such. This has been the case on any Windows install not from an OEM install medium, which I never used because they're always modified with bloatware! Good luck getting Internet to work without a smartphone acting as cheap wifi bridge.

What was the last Windows you installed? Window XP?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by explainplease »

johnduhart wrote: post #78
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #63

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>let me know when [...] I can reliably install it on any hardware and expect it to work without issue. Consider yourself told, then. Linux works OOTB on pretty much all hardware, often better than Windows since it ships with all of the necessary drivers. >to claim it can replace Win10 for the average user is a stretch The average user can handle KDE Plasma just fine.

> Consider yourself told, then. Oh, please enlighten me, Drew. > Linux works OOTB on pretty much all hardware, often better than Windows Are device manufacturers supporting Linux? > since it ships with all of the necessary drivers. No it doesn't, last time I checked to even get the recommended usb wifi module to work on Arch required downloading additional packages and compiling a kernel module. > The average user ca…

> Cool let me know how you handle explaining why they can't run some exe they downloaded on your GNU/Linux setup

The same way you explain that they can't run a Windows exe on Mac?

> Are device manufacturers supporting Linux?

...Yes?

But even better, there are people other than device manufacturers supporting them--which means better drivers, because they aren't motivated by bare profit to ship a minimally functional driver ASAP and reassign all the programmers to model+1. This is why upstreaming is a good thing.

BTW, do you read LWN?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by explainplease »

Xylakant wrote: post #160
bildung wrote: post #105

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>> since it ships with all of the necessary drivers. > No it doesn't, last time I checked to even get the recommended usb wifi module to work on Arch required downloading additional packages and compiling a kernel module. Compiling things yourself is the entire point of Arch. If you don't want to mess with things like these just use Ubuntu.

There's still no stable support for my thinkpads fingerprint sensor on a current fedora/ubuntu. Last time I checked, neither supported the built-in WWAN modem in my thinkpad, either. And I'm not even using any really exotic hardware and the T460s model isn't exactly brand new either. Windows support works perfectly well for both pieces of hardware.

Okay. What about hardware that works better on Linux? Why do you assume that this issue strictly favors Windows?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by freehunter »

lumberingjack wrote: post #145
userbinator wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

>Windows 10 to turn off updates completely I did that 6 months ago best thing I ever did to win 10 so far.

Nothing bad has ever happened to an unpatched Windows system.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by explainplease »

thepp1983 wrote: post #146
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #132

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>I installed Slack using the deb package (on ubuntu). Won't start, no idea why. Just segfaults. So I have to use the browser version of slack. This is a problem with Slack, not with Linux. >X will still hang with certain applications. Sometimes I close the Lid and the laptop never wakes up.I still get screen tearing when moving windows around. This stuff was fixed years ago on Windows. Plasma, the desktop I recommend…

> This is a problem with Slack, not with Linux. This the attitude I always get and it stinks. I have sitting on my desk at home an Amiga 1200 (released in 1994). I can download a lha archive with a program in it, extract it and run it. Amiga OS was cutting edge in 1987ish. I still can't do that with a popular flavour of Linux like ubuntu. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to download a package fro…

> I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to download a package from the internet that is marked as "Ubuntu 18.04", use the package manager to install it and for it to work properly.

That's preposterous. If you downloaded a random MSI marked "Windows [your version]", installed it on Windows [your version], and it crashed, you wouldn't blame Microsoft.

> There is also about 3 or 4 different methods (that are somewhat official) to install applications. Which is crazy.

And how many are there for Windows? Unzip a Zip file? Run an EXE installer? Run an MSI installer? Download and execute a launcher that downloads and runs the actual installer, and gives up completely and deletes the partial download at the slightest hiccup? Install a whole software management platform like Steam or Windows Store or...?

> This problem only exists on Linux.

That's absolutely absurd.

> The whole "Works For Me" attitude. Again this attitude stinks.

The whole "I found a problem in a vendor's app so I'm going to blame the entire OS and platform instead" attitude. This attitude stinks.

> I still have some usage hangups on Windows since the Windows 2000 days and I have a lot of problems with newer versions of windows because I just get confused with the interface. It isn't that uncommon tbh. In the end I've learnt enough powershell now it not an issue for me.

Your buddy couldn't (or wouldn't?) click through a few menus or type "browser" into the KDE equivalent of the Start Menu, and you cite that as a problem in Plasma, and then say that you prefer PowerShell?

Bizarre.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by RaleyField »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #163
RaleyField wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1]. Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s

>How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget /s >on this laptop I get shorter battery life >bluetooth headset doesn't work Better points. I also have had issues with bluetooth audio on Linux. Battery life less so.

> Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget

It becomes usability problem for your users when it becomes too burdensome for ISVs to port their software on your fractured platform. It the whole raison d'etre of technologies like snappy, flatpak or docker that now try to patch this problem.

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