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AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by panopticon »

fredgrott wrote: post #113

are they aware statements like this confirm it? If it were false the case would fall under libel and slander. Someone is obfuscating truths here

Libel and defamation lawsuits are tricky because one would need to prove that Bloomberg ran the story knowing it was false or ran the story with "reckless disregard" for the factual accuracy of the reporting and prove that the article resulted in damage to the plaintiff.

Many dubious articles go unchallenged because it's often not worth pursuing legal action.

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Post by greglindahl »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #117

That’s well and good and all...but it’s in Amazon and Apple’s best interest to deny everything.

It is? They're both public companies. If they get caught having strongly denied something that's true, that's worse than no comment, and the inevitable stock market motion and shareholder lawsuits that will result.

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Post by cm2187 »

PeterisP wrote: post #89
sonnyblarney wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards" No, the boards would be selectively hacked. And we know it happens because 'we' do it as well. Surely there is evidence floating around but it's also unlikely that companies would want to admit the breach. I kind of believe Apple and Amazon though, there's too much risk if they were to be caught lying. This is a weird one ...

Bloomberg claims that there is evidence floating around - unless they're bluffing, they should be able to show evidence of at least one such motherboard, instead of CGI graphics showing how it might look. Have they seen any actual hard evidence? Noone is disputing that the described attack vector is possible, but if Bloomberg has not properly verified if it actually has happened , then their article becomes a lie; an…

If their sources are from the intelligence community do you really expect them to handover physical chips to the journalists they leak to?

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Post by smokeyj »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #149

(disclaimer: I worked at AWS from 2008 to 2014 as Technology Evangelist, and know Andy Jassy personally) I know nothing specific about the issue per se, but I am convinced that Andy Jassy is speaking the truth here, for two reasons: 1) I've never seen a company as obsessed with security as AWS, and/or with such a big budget for security. 2) There's so many actors/employees involved in the audits, security, etc, that…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Stamos#Yahoo!

Any move like this would start with the CEO. We have no idea if it’s a “hack” or a hush-hush back door provided by the feds. Let Bezos the pentagon lapdog give official statements instead.

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Post by jonbronson »

What's more plausible in this scenario: One or two journalists run a fake story, possibly for financial gain or simply notoriety, or that hundreds and even thousands of engineers and managers across multiple tech companies are all complicit in the most elaborate and coordinated corporate conspiracy in history, all just to hide the fact that they were breached...

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Post by [deleted] »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #108
sp332 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we accept all that, it doesn't make the Bloomberg article right.

Well if they actually had 3 high level sources on inside, which they probably did as they are a very reputable news org, then they had every right to post the story. People need to realize that if what they are saying is true, this is huge.

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Post by spydum »

clamprecht wrote: post #83

If Bloomberg ends up retracting the story, then the new question, for me, is how did this happen? Was it simply Bloomberg trying to get views? Or is it more interesting, like did their "sources" intentionally give them a fake story in order to hurt their credibility? Or was it to cast doubt on the anti-China stories in general?

I can’t help resist the thought: this was planted for political purposes.

1. If people buy the narrative, it works as anti-China talking points and we continue to villanize China and look for US to step up manufacturing of tech.

2. If it blows up and backfires, we get to villanize journalism as a profession and push for government takeover of media to ensure honest and integrity above profit (eg fakenews).

By planted story, I mean insiders or impostors feeding lies to journalists- tho I would hope Bloomberg would know how to vet a source?

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Post by unparagoned »

Barrin92 wrote: post #100
sonnyblarney wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story is weird, and yes, they should be able to produce a board, surely. They maybe got caught with their pants down. But it doesn't matter - this is happening 100% guaranteed. 'We' do it and China has become far more aggressive in these areas these days ... so if they could be doing it, they would be. Someone should come up with a bit of proof though.

evidence is usually required for statements like " this is happening 100% guaranteed." I don't know what brave new world we have entered where journalists, or even online users for that matter, make confident claims about things for which there is no physical evidence.

I promise you that my dad works at microsoft and he has a chip I add to my ps4 to make it play Xbox games, you can't see it because it's too small becaise he also secretly works for the new. He taught me how to program the chips and I can do anything with them.

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Post by jackconnor »

michaelmrose wrote: post #142
paxys wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just need ONE board to be able to prove it. Surely Bloomberg or their sources can get their hand on a single piece?

So if a newspaper wanted evidence that your company fucked up you would go and dismantle company property to discredit your employer knowing that it's likely to damage them and ruin you.

Well, if you're Apple/Amazon you have the SEC and your shareholders ready to ruin your life if you say anything that could even be interpreted as a lie. So, in this hypothetical you may not want to, but you will definitely feel forced to.

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Post by kbenson »

cm2187 wrote: post #163
PeterisP wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bloomberg claims that there is evidence floating around - unless they're bluffing, they should be able to show evidence of at least one such motherboard, instead of CGI graphics showing how it might look. Have they seen any actual hard evidence? Noone is disputing that the described attack vector is possible, but if Bloomberg has not properly verified if it actually has happened , then their article becomes a lie; an…

If their sources are from the intelligence community do you really expect them to handover physical chips to the journalists they leak to?

If the intelligence community expects what they say to be reported as fact, then they need to pony up at least something to verify their claims. Otherwise the news media is just a mouthpiece for the intelligence community. That's particularly bad because one of their jobs is to be a check against just such behavior.
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