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Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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I'm a bit mixed about this; it is clearly discriminatory to publish a job ad that says "women need not apply", but it doesn't feel inherently discriminatory to advertise a job in, say, "Men's Health" but not "Cosmopolitan" magazine. Or to advertise on a particular television channel or program (whose viewers may not match the population at large). That's just how advertising works. Is that crazy? Would this be differ…

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Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Politics, statistics and stereotypes have a reality.

Sometimes you don't want to be politically correct, and you go along with what things actually are, what people want and what is already working. A company is not there to solve stereotypes.

Just look at the proportion of women who can read code, or are actually interested in dealing with code. That's an issue. Same thing goes for people who do construction work, miners, the military, etc.

I totally admit that it's a cynical opinion. There's are a lot of things civilization can do to define what humans do and how they behave. Gender might have deep implications, that cannot be changed by civilization and principles of equality.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #162

Politics, statistics and stereotypes have a reality. Sometimes you don't want to be politically correct, and you go along with what things actually are, what people want and what is already working. A company is not there to solve stereotypes. Just look at the proportion of women who can read code, or are actually interested in dealing with code. That's an issue. Same thing goes for people who do construction work, m…

> A company is not there to solve stereotypes.

That ties into the question if companies should have a responsibility to society or just be a vehicle to make money. Opinions differ on this.

(Legality is another topic, but for the sake of this thread I propose to assume that this behavior is legal)

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #7

I'm a bit mixed about this; it is clearly discriminatory to publish a job ad that says "women need not apply", but it doesn't feel inherently discriminatory to advertise a job in, say, "Men's Health" but not "Cosmopolitan" magazine. Or to advertise on a particular television channel or program (whose viewers may not match the population at large). That's just how advertising works. Is that crazy? Would this be differ…

I don’t know about the US but there are rules in regards to job postings in the UK and likely the EU at large that would make that a violation of anti-discrimination laws.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #162

Politics, statistics and stereotypes have a reality. Sometimes you don't want to be politically correct, and you go along with what things actually are, what people want and what is already working. A company is not there to solve stereotypes. Just look at the proportion of women who can read code, or are actually interested in dealing with code. That's an issue. Same thing goes for people who do construction work, m…

Even if there are differences, generalizations will overemphisize them. Minorities are overlooked and you cater to the lowest common denominator. It's easier to sell people a conforming stereotype then to provide a diversity of options. It's cheaper to exclude by category, but it is deeply unfair to everyone for whom it doesn't apply, and even if in mant important ways you are fairly normal and benefit from it, most people are in some kind of minority.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be validating men-only advertising by implying that hiring women is done for no other reason than charity. If a company wants to cut itself at the knees by courting half the market ... let them.

How did they imply that hiring women is charity?

Easy, using abduction to get offended using minimal assumptions and misinterpretations.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #7

I'm a bit mixed about this; it is clearly discriminatory to publish a job ad that says "women need not apply", but it doesn't feel inherently discriminatory to advertise a job in, say, "Men's Health" but not "Cosmopolitan" magazine. Or to advertise on a particular television channel or program (whose viewers may not match the population at large). That's just how advertising works. Is that crazy? Would this be differ…

Context matters. The question is one of harm... is it perpetuating or expanding an existing injustice or privilege, and to what extent? People who dislike action movies aren't the subject of any severe underrepresentation in a job market, so it's clearly not as big of a problem.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #7

I'm a bit mixed about this; it is clearly discriminatory to publish a job ad that says "women need not apply", but it doesn't feel inherently discriminatory to advertise a job in, say, "Men's Health" but not "Cosmopolitan" magazine. Or to advertise on a particular television channel or program (whose viewers may not match the population at large). That's just how advertising works. Is that crazy? Would this be differ…

What if the ads were targeted at "people with an interest in driving"? I'm fairly sure the percentage of men that fall under that category is higher than women. I mean there's a bunch of car magazines that are gender neutral (that is, they avoid juvenile jokes or cat suit models), if there's an Uber ad in there it'd still mostly be men that read it.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

#170
post #7

I'm a bit mixed about this; it is clearly discriminatory to publish a job ad that says "women need not apply", but it doesn't feel inherently discriminatory to advertise a job in, say, "Men's Health" but not "Cosmopolitan" magazine. Or to advertise on a particular television channel or program (whose viewers may not match the population at large). That's just how advertising works. Is that crazy? Would this be differ…

Context matters. The question is one of harm... is it perpetuating or expanding an existing injustice or privilege, and to what extent? People who dislike action movies aren't the subject of any severe underrepresentation in a job market, so it's clearly not as big of a problem.

Do you have any data to back up this claim?
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