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Interesting, that instinct to Google for the answer is actually one of the 'culture fits' that we look for. There are a surprising number of candidates & engineers that simply give up when they encounter a hard problem.
perhaps if you make it clear that it's okay to Google, then you might get a different outcome. it's highly common for candidates to assume that in an interview, it's not allowed or highly penalized to do so.
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#162We joke a lot about that after I was hired as a middle aged coder... during interview Boss: "so do you think you can fit in this culture?" Me: "You mean, do I wear skinny jeans and drink kale smoothies? Probably not, but if you want your work done, does culture fit matter when you have a mile long back log?" Boss: "good point, so... How does your schedule look for next week?" it was all history from there.
On one team I worked in, we hired an older coder with bad knees and a couple of kids at home. Everyone in the team got along with him and generally liked him and he got his work done without too much fuss. But it was obvious that he didn't fit in with everyone else. We'd all hang out with each other socially (bars, clubs, weekend activities) and he opted out of those activities entirely and went home to his family every day at 5pm. And we saw other teams doing all these cool team activities (canyoneering, zip-lining, ski trips, etc) while we were limited to activities that were less physical and involved less alcohol. Over time, almost everyone in the team looked for opportunities to transfer to other teams (and sometimes companies) that looked like they were having more fun. Eventually, the team's output suffered as turnover increased, until eventually, he ended up leaving. The net effect was hugely disruptive to the company.
I can absolutely appreciate the argument that these culture fit tests become a way to discriminate against minorities, genders and people of a different age...and that's absolutely wrong. But we also need to accept that employees don't view work as a 9-5 working sentence that's completely separate from their life outside of work. To the extent that employees want work to be part of their overall lives, you need to hire a cohesive group. It's a hard problem to solve simply because humans are social animals, there's no universally correct answer and so much of our psychology isn't well understood by so many of us.
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Don't forget about race.
It’s really anything that doesn’t match the team’s (or individual interviewer’s) notion of what a good developer looks like. So it could be how you dress, how you talk, even if you are white and male and not over some age threshold. And I suspect much of that is not conscious, which of course makes it difficult to talk about and address.
That said, I do worry about how my presentation will be perceived elsewhere, it comes time to move on.
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Ya. Are you a sports loving bro? I don't care. Are you an arty hipster? I don't care. Are you a birkenstock wearing vegan nature lover? I don't care. Do you yell at people when you get upset over minor disagreements? Well that's gonna be a problem....
How do you reliably and accurately select for that in an interview? Try to constantly trigger them?
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting, that instinct to Google for the answer is actually one of the 'culture fits' that we look for. There are a surprising number of candidates & engineers that simply give up when they encounter a hard problem.
perhaps if you make it clear that it's okay to Google, then you might get a different outcome. it's highly common for candidates to assume that in an interview, it's not allowed or highly penalized to do so.
But I have told interviews that I don't know, but I'd google it if I needed to in a work situation, and that's always been received positively. I guess it depends on what they're asking about though. Some stuff you should know off the top of your head...
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#166I'm in agreement with other commenters here that "culture fit" usually feels like a euphemism for something else. I think what it's really about is explained here in the article: "A single toxic employee who is a bad fit for the existing culture can tank the morale and productivity of an entire team. " So, is there really more to "culture fit" than the No Asshole Rule (1)? If not, can we start calling it what it is:…
50 year old programmer in the middle of an open office with 25 year olds bouncing balls around, playing loud music - bad culture fit. Foreign middle aged man who can't speak the language very good in an environment where native language is important - not a good culture fit. Female 25 year old in a group of 50 year old men who mostly wants to relax at work and are a bit awkward around young women - bad culture fit. V…
It's not openly talked about because it's illegal. The next time a 50yo applies inform him that you're looking for someone under 40 and if you're lucky he'll hire a nice lawyer to explain it to you.
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#167"I don't want to spend 8 hours a day with this person" is a perfectly good reason not to hire someone.
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Do you mean that the candidate is too inclined to say "that's not my job" when they might be called upon to perform tasks that lie outside their narrow area of focus?
I'm not slamming someone for saying that. At a huge company they will be exactly right and may fit in great there. If they can't change that opinion when working at a startup, maybe they aren't the best employee #7. "I like to work on a team with strictly defined roles." "I like to know exactly what I'm working on from day to day." "I prefer to have my worked planned out weeks/months/years in advance." All three vali…
I'd prefer to work for the most enterprisey company that ever enterprised. I'm pretty happy at the B2B telecom where I work now, even.
(And, yes, I'm agreeing with you and providing a data point in your favor.)
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Or it's weeding out all the people who promptly forgot all the stuff they could just google because they didn't regularly use it in their last job.
If someone is going to be so prompt and complete at forgetting everything, then they may not have a tickling awareness that something might be up when the occasion to apply 1st principles knowledge does arise. Seriously, if the algorithmic complexity of a shuffling algorithm is going to be a challenge, why even have a degree!? If someone is so good with the forgetting that they can't even apply "n choose m," just wha…
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#170My experience about 'culture fit' was that it was a code word for ageism. Sometimes they'd be even more direct if I pushed back. This wasn't at the end of a 45 minute interview, it was in the first five minutes after I'd already passed the technical review. Might not be true in every instance, but I absolutely cringe when I hear that phrase.