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Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #6

"CDC Cyber" made me laugh. Marketing seemed to be on point Almost 40 years later, phone numbers are on the way out, DOBs are "illegal" and github and email are more important information on a CV.

date of birth is illegal? Probably one of the more irrelevant things, as it is easily deductible from the rest of the entries.

It is a fig leaf intended to discourage age discrimination.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #19

I doubt a resume like this a would even be considered today. It's missing pretty much all the bling.

Funny story, I maintain a resume in html format. One time I applied for a job, and their online application rejected my upload, telling me it had to be PDF, Word, or plain text format. In frustration I copy/pasted the text content into an emacs buffer (not the html itself, just the text shown in the browser). I tried to pretty it up a bit, but forgot to save my final draft, so the interviewers got a resume that started like this:

    ;; This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, and for Lisp evaluation.
    ;; If you want to create a file, visit that file with C-x C-f,
    ;; then enter the text in that file's own buffer.
What followed was extremely poorly formatted plain text.

Needless to say, I felt really embarrassed to find this out during the interview, and was baffled that the internal recruiter had even considered me.

I got the job.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #100

Nearly 24 years with a single employer. How many programmers can claim that these days?

I think the better question is: how many employers can claim that these days? My understanding is that there was a big cultural change in theory of management during the corporate raider era of the 1980s. Before, lifetime employment was common; employee loyalty was matched by defined-benefit pensions and the implicit commitment that you'd be kept on until retirement unless you did something terrible. Corporate raider…

So they'd just lay off a lot of people, forcing out the older, more expensive workers.

This is still taught today in business schools.

When you take over a company, the first thing you do is fire a bunch of people. The market sees it as cutting costs, so the stock goes up.

It doesn’t matter who the people were or how essential to the company they were. This is simply a fundamental part of the theory of “business” as taught in top management courses.

The tiny (usually temporary) stock boost secures your employment for the the next six months. This buys you time to figure out how to run/fix the company.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #12

One Page resume was still the style in 1980, that's cool. Really well written cover letter as well, hard to see that come by these days.

A recruiter recently told me that one pagers don’t matter anymore because it’s all electronic now.

I guess she doesn’t think that when reviewing 100 applications a screener might not want to constantly scroll.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Your dad was an American hero, please thank him for all his hard work on my behalf. Men like him built this country by living their lives and raising their children. I'm sure he wasn't perfect, but he's still your dad and I'm sorry you've moved him to a home. Please take good care of him.

Yes, that sounds strange to me - the family of two generations programmers can't afford in-house nursing? I can't imagine putting my parents or grannies in "home" unless I am really poor.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Looks like a simpler time. You just say what you did. No need to BS it up to sound like you are gods gift to programming. And once you get the job probably no logging every second of your time.

The thing that stuck out the most to me in the resume is that he went to university to learn programming languages. That wouldn't happen today. Today you'd either get a book and definitely work through some online materials. How do you proof competency this way? You'll have to point at projects you did and talk a little more about what you did. I'm pretty sure that the set of potentially required skills has exploded. Knowing the right language seems to have been mostly it back then, the rest was likely proprietary to the company. I don't that they had yet another Fortran framework be popular every year. You didn't also need to know the correct test framework, scripting language, several markup languages etc.

While simpler times are attractive, I'm glad we have so much choice.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was way less competition, though

Yes but higher signal to noise ratio back then and programming and computer science were not as much a commodity degree. Now there are so many people on the internet and playing chameleon ;) You had to seek out jobs in newspaper listings in local or national newspapers (international too). I would get people applying for jobs back in early 90s who thought that having a modem at home and having read one programming bo…

I do wonder if they higher fast and fire even faster approach isn't ultimately better for everyone than the silly whiteboard interviews many companies do nowadays. At least there was an exact match between the skills because of which you have the job and the skills you need on the job.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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post #100

Nearly 24 years with a single employer. How many programmers can claim that these days?

Not very many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Christensen (inventor of the BBS and author of xmodem) is one, at 44 years for IBM. I knew a very small numbers of career Allstate folks at over 40 years.

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