USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

Post by martinpw » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 7:04 PM UTC

roter wrote: post #116

techsupporter wrote: post #18

> We can completely ignore the fact that over the years the average location of all the contributing stations has moved slightly northward to colder territory[.] Woah, that's not something I'd considered. Are weather stations that contribute to NOAA operated by the volunteer public, kind of like Weather Underground? Either way, that's pretty interesting that there's a distinct northward migration in at least one "dem…

But everything is area-weighted, so if we move a southern station northward, that means the southern stations previous neighbours will need to carry more weight. The station moved northward will steal some of the weight from its new northerly neighbours. So, it should only impact the accuracy of the results, not necessarily shift things colder.

Post by drdeadringer » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #66

gt_ wrote: post #59

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Does “* denier” really count as vitriol? I don’t personally use this language, but for what I think is a different reason: if removing a noun-forming suffix yields a verb which defines the extent of a category, I just think this results in an extraneous lack of specificity (you could instead just describe the subject as performing the action). I also think it’s collectively beneficial to not go out of our way to cate…

> Does “* denier” really count as vitriol? Great question. I agree with your logic, and that on its face it isn't vitriolic, or even really offensive (or shouldn't be at least). However I've only ever really seen the term used by people that are using it as a pejorative. For that reason I take more of a structuralist view on the meaning, which is subjective. I've never heard somebody (excluding trolls) describe thems…

Post by freedomben » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 7:09 PM UTC

luckydata wrote: post #38

freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Because their stupidity is going to kill us all. I'm very vitriolic against people that are trying to kill me and my family, I can't help it.

Post by yongjik » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #67

Ivoirians wrote: post #43

It's despicable, isn't it? Like, there are climate change deniers that are overly-skeptical or gullible and buy into the mountains of misinformation. And then there are those like Steve Goddard who sit down every day and work their asses off creating said misinformation (check his twitter). Actively manipulating and cherrypicking data to deceive for personal gain (whether it be paychecks, political favor, whatever).…

A fair question: has the climate alarmist side not cherry picked or even used fraudulent data to suit their cause as well? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-e... Our skepticism isn’t about the climate changing, (remember when it was called global warming?) it’s a skepticism about the causes and the degree to which human influence plays a significant role. Any time there is any skepticism at a…

Post by hobs » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

mjfl wrote: post #111

saudioger wrote: post #57

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Same reason for the vitriol against anti-vax. These are people who are claiming to know better than the vast majority of the scientific community (seriously, it's something like 99%+), despite having little to no expertise in the field. Multiple independent governments, thousands of peer reviewed studies across multiple disciplines, data collected from satellites, billions of dollars across decades of research... but…

All this may be true, but appeal to authority is still a logical fallacy. You can't just shame people into believing something they don't understand because "smarter" people believe it. It's a shameful failure of communication more than anything else. And I don't understand why people like you don't understand that.