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Re: Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry

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Post by majewsky »

abakker wrote: post #86
freddie_mercury wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP was talking about China. China is bigger than the continental US. I think the persistent myth about the US's size being some unique problem doesn't explain much. What's more, if you think of the EU as a comparison for the US, with the individual counties as analogues for US states, it seems to explain even less. Belgium and Massachusetts are the same size but over has much better transit options than the other…

In 2015, Belgium had a Population density of 363people/Km^2. Massachusetts in 2015 had 336 people/KM^2. So, pretty close. The difference is that Belgium has a much more uniform population distribution vs Massachusetts. Secondarily, Belgium can define it's own national policy, while MA must compromise with the rest of the country, including CA, WY, MT, and NY, all of which have very different economic and practical co…

> Belgium can define it's own national policy, while MA must compromise with the rest of the country

Belgium must compromise with the rest of the EU on many topics.

Re: Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry

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Post by majewsky »

volgo wrote: post #142
craftyguy wrote: post #72

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> That is picking nits No, actually it's not. The source of electricity matters, and just because something doesn't directly emit pollutants does not mean its power is derived without emitting pollutants.

Yes you are nitpicking. It's like if someone says "paper bags reduce wastes by 50%" and you retort "welllll you still need need factories to make those paper bags." It's literally the definition of nitpicking In this case, you're doing so in an attempt to undermine the activity raised in the parent. Not sure what your intention is, but definitely not supported by logic

I think actual nitpicking would be "welllll paper bags reduce plastic waste by X %, but they also increase paper waste by Y %".

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Post by bertil »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #122
ChuckMcM wrote: post #49

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That is picking nits :-) Not only is China rapidly building nuclear power plants, containing the emissions of one plant burning coal is easier than containing the emissions of the 10,000 buses that plant provides power to operate. There is also a benefit to China converting from oil (something imported[1]) to coal (something available locally[2]). [1] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Chinas-Becomes-Worlds-... [2…

how do you contain CO2? its a gas so very voluminous, do you propose liquefying it and keep it refrigerated?

CO2 has numerous industrial applications, so you typically don’t store it but bottle it and send it elsewhere. Beer manufacturing (to add bubbles) is an anecdotic use; green house or urban farm agriculture is a growing need.

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Post by alimw »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #122
ChuckMcM wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is picking nits :-) Not only is China rapidly building nuclear power plants, containing the emissions of one plant burning coal is easier than containing the emissions of the 10,000 buses that plant provides power to operate. There is also a benefit to China converting from oil (something imported[1]) to coal (something available locally[2]). [1] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Chinas-Becomes-Worlds-... [2…

how do you contain CO2? its a gas so very voluminous, do you propose liquefying it and keep it refrigerated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage

Re: Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry

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Post by tanto »

nickserv wrote: post #144
profalseidol wrote: post #111

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Perhaps the Oil companies control the US gov't. Or perhaps they're actually the same.

Interesting then to note that Norway, where the oil company is majority owned by the government, also has the largest per capita fleet of electric cars.

> oil company is majority owned by the government You are correct. Thats in Norway in the US its the other way around.

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Post by ctack »

yread wrote: post #147
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #14

The scale of this is astounding and wonderful: "China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance."

Hmm something doesn't add up, or I'm misreading it... if the rest of the world only has 1% of 385,000 (3,850) how come just London has 9,500?

I'm guessing London's entire working fleet is not electric.

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Post by black_puppydog »

adrianN wrote: post #132
black_puppydog wrote: post #123

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don't worry about the noise. At least here in France we've got you covered with scooters all over the place, including the heart of town! these things seem to be mostly unregulated since the 80s or so when it comes to noise and "stinky" emissions... :|

Here in Berlin a good chunk of the scooters I see are already electric. I don't think that the noisy two stroke engines will live much longer.

I really hope you're right.

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Post by tialaramex »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #101
jimmywanger wrote: post #80

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> The simplified characters are not actually "remarkably different". You're incorrect. As a simple example look at the difference in the character horse between the two character systems. You might be able to sort of figure it out if you knew ahead of time what it meant. Just plopping a whole pile of text in front of you with no translation in the language you're familiar with is fairly incomprehensible. >Have you ev…

> As a simple example look at the difference in the character horse between the two character systems. If you are a foreign learner just looking at typeset ways of representing this character, then the difference may seem great between traditional and simplified. But in fact, the rapid way of writing 'horse' before the script reform, is where the simplified form was eventually taken from. > The strokes are still sugg…

So, the thing about India is that it has two scripts which an outsider, not concerned with Indian politics would say are simply used to write the same language. This sort of thing happens in Eastern Europe all the time, there's a big powerful culture (Russia) using Cyrillic on one side of you, and another (Western Europe) using Latin, and so you end up writing your words in whichever system is convenient, politically, economically, or just the one you learned in school. Same words, different writing system.

But you mustn't say this in India, at least, not in an ordinary public setting, it is very important to the two cultures involved that they have two completely different languages, written quite differently, which it just so happens are in practice mutually intelligible when spoken. Laughing at this will get you much the same response as if you mocked Americans for their Civil War. It is a Big Deal for them, even if it seems like childish nonsense to you.

Re: Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry

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Post by stephengillie »

lenepp wrote: post #62

One interesting feature of articles like this that I don't really get is that they often leave out a huge huge quality of life benefit that electric vehicles bring: reduced urban machine noise.

The visceral excitement from the noise and vibration is a key part of auto marketing, and automakers are struggling to sell cars without it. Some people enjoy the attention they get from their loud, smelly cars - old Porsches, Harley Davidson motorcycles, and large trucks come to mind. Which is why some EVs play engine noises from internal speakers.
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