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OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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With Kubernetes now being mature and fairly easy to install, you can have essentially your own AWS for peanuts using OVH. I absolutely see no reason why paying such a premium to use "conventional" cloud providers when you can have your own portable infrastructure nowadays.

Trying to duplicate things like SQS, RDS, and Lambda on Kubernetes could easily crush you on operator costs.

It still has a learning curve, but it isn't too bad. You have Rook, OpenFAAS etc. and once you write your own recipes it is easy to spin up your own databases, queues etc.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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>for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth People say this about AWS/GCP/Azure. They are so willing to compete on cost on everything else that it seems odd like this would be true, so I have a different theory: OVH/etc are all able to massively oversell bandwidth. Most customers do not use it. This is fine, and not anything I think they're doing wrong! But the "Big 3" are all about automatically sc…

It's a distinction without a difference though. If you use 1TB of data on Amazon or on OVH, and one service costs you $x and the other costs you 20% of $x you've got the same service for less money.

Your cheap OVH bandwidth is paid for by overcharging less intensive users. Since Amazon charges exactly what you use, it’s a great deal if you’re below average, and a bad deal if you’re above average.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

What are the ethical concerns with Cloudflare?

* Cloudflare has a history of promising to open source projects only to not do so. For example, they built a system to shorten SSL certificate chains that they said they would open source but then didn't for over a year. When they finally did they admitted it was due to pressure from people on this site.

* Cloudflare got some initial fame by keeping Lulzsec up during a massive DDoS. That by itself wasn't bad, but afterwards they embraced a "bulletproof hosting" mindset that involved acting as a shield for malicious activity (specifically, people were abusing their network to host malware and drive by exploits). If you reported an account for pushing malware they'd block the single instance of malware (ie, example.com/malware/djfksdjf.jar) even if the original server was configured to serve it under any random name (example.com/malware/.jar). For awhile they were a huge source of infection for users.

Their CEO directly lied and accused a security company I worked for at the time of blocking their traffic to "suppress free speech", when what we were really trying to block were active drive by exploits. We sent a ton of evidence for this to them in advance- including PCAP files showing the exact network connection required. Instead of dealing with the malware they were hosting they started a PR campaign.

* After I criticized them before on this site several of their security team followed me on twitter for some reason. That's how I learned that they have a lot of "alt-right" type people on their team (or at least did at that time).

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

What are the ethical concerns with Cloudflare?

Some people are against Cloudflare's vast internet dominance with their "free" CDN which proxies all content, but proxying content of a zone is no different from any of the other CDNs storing your content for you.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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The credits are probably because it’s a way to get to you to pay in front rather than after the billing period. Some other cloud companies do this too so it’s not too far out. However, it’s a better UX and less hassle to just bill customers in actual dollars/euros than in “MyCompany Credits” (that probably map 1:1 or 1:100 or 1:1000 to USD)

I get the rationale for credits. However, in true OVH fashion, credits is way more confusing than it has to be. The invoice is also confusing. Not a simple "you bought this, you owe this". But it has deductions, subtractions, additions, sub-totals, credits, etc. I am not an accountant!

That's pretty basic stuff for any adult person, no accountant needed.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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What are the ethical concerns with Cloudflare?

Some people are against Cloudflare's vast internet dominance with their "free" CDN which proxies all content, but proxying content of a zone is no different from any of the other CDNs storing your content for you.

When did business success become such a problem? The basic CDN model is the same with all CDNs that are pull-first reverse proxies, but they clearly offer much better features for less cost which is why so many use them. There's nothing stopping other companies from doing the same but most are still nothing more than some nginx servers running in a few colos.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Why $400k for BigQuery? It has flat-rate billing starting at 40k/month for unlimited queries. Also your other comment mentioned 50TB across 1000 Clickhouse nodes, why so little data per node?

> It has flat-rate billing starting at 40k/month for unlimited queries. plus storage costs?

50TB of data is about $500/month on BigQuery. $0.02/GB for new data, then $0.01 after 90 days of being unchanged.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Trying to duplicate things like SQS, RDS, and Lambda on Kubernetes could easily crush you on operator costs.

It still has a learning curve, but it isn't too bad. You have Rook, OpenFAAS etc. and once you write your own recipes it is easy to spin up your own databases, queues etc.

Yes, once you have an experienced systems administrator you'd be amazed at what you save for that $200k salary...

AWS hits a "pay what you use" price point for services that previously required the human equivalent of a large capital outlay.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#169

Indeed, OVH UI is slow and bulky. I moved to Hetzner for a lot of things. Even cheaper, had one server issue, but quickly fixed by their support ( a bios to upgrade ), their UX is simple but efficient. Any other opinion on them?

I use Hetzner, I like their server range and prices, but I am annoyed I pay almost as much for a block of IPs as I do a single server. (I run a bunch of virtual machines, each with a real public IP exposed.)

For IPv4? This really does reflect reality - IPV4 addresses should cost WAY more than things like servers we can just keep making.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

#170

With Kubernetes now being mature and fairly easy to install, you can have essentially your own AWS for peanuts using OVH. I absolutely see no reason why paying such a premium to use "conventional" cloud providers when you can have your own portable infrastructure nowadays.

Kubernetes only does service orchestration, which is a very small part of what AWS offers overall. You still have to manage servers/NAS/networking hardware, ISP contracts, CDN, edge caches, geo-distribution and more.
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