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OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by cm2187 »

truetraveller wrote: post #28

Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

Plus you have some French that surfaces all over the place in the UI even when you are a UK customer.

But that’s kind of OVH’s DNA. It originated as a bunch of servers hosted in a closet, and has been progressively hacking together more features cheaply, it’s kind of the duct tape and shoe string hosting provider, but it has prices in line with that style as well. A much more polished and support-focused provider wouldn’t charge these prices.

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Post by brandon272 »

joering2 wrote: post #113
brandon272 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use OVH's So You Start line and I think my biggest complaint is that they don't allow automatic renewal. Every monthly renewal means manually keying in my card number every month. The only alternative is to pre-pay in 3, 6, or 12 months in advance. It is the only online service I use that doesn't handle auto-renewal.

Ask them to update your account to the newest version. I assure you they handle automatic renewals and they handle them very strictly - I'm getting emails blasted to both main and optional email account at the first time there is a card decline. Here some screen shoots from minutes ago: Exhibit 1: huge yellow sticker to tell me to switch to auto-pay, which I actually don't want to for some of my clients. Exhibit 2: b…

That's OVH, which uses a different control panel than their SoYouStart division. I just submitted a ticket with them asking if autorenew was possible and they replied right away confirming that autorenew is not possible, unfortunately.

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Post by xmichael99 »

OVH won't do anything even slightly advanced, no BGP support, no firewall beyond the very basic stuff and everything about OVH is super confusing. It is like they got together and decided to make up nonconventional names to common network terms to piss everyone off. OVH is pretty cheap, but very basic. Plus good luck trying to understand an overage bill.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by xmichael99 »

brandon272 wrote: post #75
truetraveller wrote: post #28

Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

I use OVH's So You Start line and I think my biggest complaint is that they don't allow automatic renewal. Every monthly renewal means manually keying in my card number every month. The only alternative is to pre-pay in 3, 6, or 12 months in advance. It is the only online service I use that doesn't handle auto-renewal.

That is assuming you manage to find the right portal to log into! Heaven forbid you travel and hit their geofence!

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Post by x3sphere »

truetraveller wrote: post #28

Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

Their customer portal / billing interface seems to be significantly improved on the new US OVH site. It seems like they plan on rolling that out globally eventually.

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Post by zenlikethat »

merinowool wrote: post #131

With Kubernetes now being mature and fairly easy to install, you can have essentially your own AWS for peanuts using OVH. I absolutely see no reason why paying such a premium to use "conventional" cloud providers when you can have your own portable infrastructure nowadays.

Trying to duplicate things like SQS, RDS, and Lambda on Kubernetes could easily crush you on operator costs.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by tedivm »

alexkon wrote: post #111
tedivm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

Can you elaborate on Fastly exposing the origin servers to DDoS? Is there a link to learn more about that?

The Fastly "Purge API" by default does not require authentication. This is why you can clear the cache on Github pages directly [1].

From there you can force requests to hit the origin server by first purging the data from the cache and then requesting it.

Unrelated to DDoS I've also seen issues with the Fastly routing- it doesn't always pick the greatest end node to have a client connect to.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26898052/how-to-force-im...

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Post by swsieber »

truetraveller wrote: post #98
comboy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a few dedicated boxes for almost 10 years now. I highly recommend it. I use it to run bitcoinity.org since it was created in 2011. Because of relatively big database (2TB) and many concurrent websocket connections (peaking around 20K) cost would be prohibitive elsewhere. Great uptime, instant responses, eKVM and blah blah I'm not their marketing team, I'm just a really happy customer. I've tried OVH I think on…

How many servers do you have with Hetzner to manage 20,000 websocket connections? Also, did you ever have data loss in your large database because of hard drive failure?

Theoretically, they could get away with just one: http://phoenixframework.org/blog/the-road-to-2-million-webso...

That said, it depends on the stack, the level of optimizations and how much each websocket requires...

I'd love to know too though (both the # of servers and the other details)

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Post by greenleafjacob »

tedivm wrote: post #158
alexkon wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on Fastly exposing the origin servers to DDoS? Is there a link to learn more about that?

The Fastly "Purge API" by default does not require authentication. This is why you can clear the cache on Github pages directly [1]. From there you can force requests to hit the origin server by first purging the data from the cache and then requesting it. Unrelated to DDoS I've also seen issues with the Fastly routing- it doesn't always pick the greatest end node to have a client connect to. [1] https://stackoverflo…

For what it’s worth I think with custom VCL you could add your own shared key / password authentication to fix this by returning a synthetic 403 if the shared key isn’t present in a header.
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