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Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by qwerty456127 »

slantyyz wrote: post #91
qwerty456127 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paint.NET is by far the best the best picture editor I've seen. Not nearly as feature-reach as GIMP or Photoshop so not an option for graphics professionals but for casual usage - it's bloody amazing, extremely intuitive in particular. I use Pinta on Linux and Mac - it's not as great as the original Paint.NET but still very handy while GIMP is like vim - you have to study it before you can use it (and you are going t…

> Paint.NET is by far the best the best picture editor I've seen. That's quite a statement. I would only say it with the following qualifiers: Paint.NET is by far the best free picture editor I've seen for Windows . I've seen plenty of non-free (some very affordable, some less so) editors for Mac and Windows that are way better than Paint.NET.

I have never seen any picture editor, free or non-free that I (not a graphics professional, just a webmaster) would enjoy using nearly as much as I enjoy using Paint.NET. Photoshop looks notably more stylish (Paint.NET looks great too, GIMP looks mediocre from the aesthetical point of view) and feels a little bit more intuitive than GIMP yet still very hard to use until you spend days-weeks-months studying it and gaining experience. Paint.NET is 100% intuitive, no need to study, you just use it, looks great, feels convenient and does almost (for some things I actually use GIMP occasionally) everything I ever need quick-and-easy. The fact it is free is an amazing bonus to such a great product.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by nkkollaw »

prokoudine wrote: post #160
nkkollaw wrote: post #158

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> Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive That's funny. They can't be inaccurate, because I'm talking about my personal experience using the software. As for offending, I never even talked about anyone--just the project, and you are the one who's offended me personally by saying that I should get a grip of myself, I don't understand basic concepts in English, etc. etc.--whi…

> This is how many open source projects handle criticism. No, this is how some projects handle bullshit. Criticism is fine and even useful. Lemme explain the difference, because you are still not taking a grip on yourself. When you think developers introduced a regression and refuse to fix it, and you can use arguments other than 'because I said so' to prove your point — this is criticism. When you completely disrega…

Keep offending.

You both prove my point further and give me something to link to for whenever the attitude of GIMP devs towards users will come up.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by yoz-y »

app4soft wrote: post #130
yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

> - The selection tool is just miles ahead any of the software I have used. It makes the crop tool obsolete and every time I have to switch modes just to resize my previous rectangular selection I long for it. Did you ever try mtPaint[0]? It has such selection feature too > - Resizing and clipping layers is dead simple. Other programs I have used have no "clip to selection" on layers and I have never understood why.…

I haven't used that but according to the description in documentation it is not exactly the same. In gimp the selection has smart corners one can drag around, feathering and rounded corners.

If I want to do something similar in Affinity Photo for example, I have to make the selection, go to quick mask mode, and then use the move tool. In Pixelmator it had similar issues.

> In mtPaint just select rectangle and click "Delete" button ;-)

That looks a bit unintuitive to me. I would expect that this would either fill the selection with white (or the set document background color, or with transparency).

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by sigsergv »

yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

I've been using dev-builds from https://www.partha.com/ awhile and branch 2.9 is amazingly fast on macos. It has some minor issues but everything else is amazing.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

Joeboy wrote: post #33
zzzcpan wrote: post #27

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You can install Photoshop's keyboard shortcuts into Gimp, takes like five minutes. And Photoshop doesn't have an intuitive UI either, no way for a newcomer to start using it on the spot, takes time to learn it. So, no, UI is not the problem, Gimp is roughly on the same level as Photoshop when it comes to UI. And spreading this silly myth doesn't help anyone. Gimp's biggest problem is performance. Then features.

My problem isn't that the UI isn't "intuitive", it's that it's bad - eg. the annoying "layer boundary" thing and the tendency for shortcuts to do different things depending on where you focused last. I don't know if UX people have a name for it, but I get particularly infuriated by the feeling that I'm being punished for learning shortcuts. Youtube is the other thing that continually annoys me like this. Edit: In the…

> the tendency for shortcuts to do different things depending on where you focused last.

I haven't heard this one before. Could you please provide examples? Thanks.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by torstenvl »

gilrain wrote: post #49
staticelf wrote: post #10

Not really about GIMP but for people who look for an alternative to Photoshop, I can really recommend Affinity Photo. It's actually on a sale right now on Windows Store at least. Unfortunately it doesn't support Linux like GIMP does but it's a really viable alternative to Photoshop for Mac/Windows users. I used to pay for Photoshop, but it's so darn expensive and I even had to pay to get out of my subscription plan.…

Affinity is a fantastic alternative to Photoshop, GIMP, or any other raster manipulation program focused on photos. I'd like to back up this recommendation: for the (one-time) price, it's amazing. I don't miss anything from Photoshop, and the UI is incredibly effective and consistent. I guess the people in this thread are only interested in open source alternatives, because I can't imagine anyone objecting to it on i…

Maybe the problem exists between the keyboard and the chair, but I've found Affinity very clunky to use and can't figure out how to do even simple things in it.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by gilrain »

torstenvl wrote: post #166
gilrain wrote: post #49

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Affinity is a fantastic alternative to Photoshop, GIMP, or any other raster manipulation program focused on photos. I'd like to back up this recommendation: for the (one-time) price, it's amazing. I don't miss anything from Photoshop, and the UI is incredibly effective and consistent. I guess the people in this thread are only interested in open source alternatives, because I can't imagine anyone objecting to it on i…

Maybe the problem exists between the keyboard and the chair, but I've found Affinity very clunky to use and can't figure out how to do even simple things in it.

They have a really great series of free, official videos on Vimeo which go over individual features and workflows. They got me up, running, and comfortable faster than any other graphical tool so far. It's similar to learning Blender through really good YouTube tutorials, except official and more comprehensive, so you spend less time searching.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by gilrain »

prokoudine wrote: post #152
gilrain wrote: post #69

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And when we complain about usability issues and lack of features in those programs (such as GIMP!), we're told that there are lots of open source alternatives; for instance, look how slick Krita is! And thus the cyclical debate continues for another turn while a competitive raster editor remains unavailable in the open source ecosystem.

No, when you complain about usability issues in GIMP to _me_, I actually listen and make notes. Some of these notes end up in the bug tracker. But not, and I repeat -- not when complaints are made in demanding and offensive tone, without providing useful feedback.

If you discard feedback based on tone, you will very obviously bias yourself toward only accepting positive or positive-leaning feedback. I'm sure you can see how that would seriously hinder software quality in the long run. And, indeed, we can see that it has in the case of GIMP.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by slantyyz »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #161
slantyyz wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Paint.NET is by far the best the best picture editor I've seen. That's quite a statement. I would only say it with the following qualifiers: Paint.NET is by far the best free picture editor I've seen for Windows . I've seen plenty of non-free (some very affordable, some less so) editors for Mac and Windows that are way better than Paint.NET.

I have never seen any picture editor, free or non-free that I (not a graphics professional, just a webmaster) would enjoy using nearly as much as I enjoy using Paint.NET. Photoshop looks notably more stylish (Paint.NET looks great too, GIMP looks mediocre from the aesthetical point of view) and feels a little bit more intuitive than GIMP yet still very hard to use until you spend days-weeks-months studying it and gai…

I am not a graphics professional either, and in the past couple of years, I've started to dislike Paint.NET a lot (I was a huge fan in the early days).

These are, off the top of my head, what I consider to better than Paint.NET:

Mac - Acorn, Pixelmator, Affinity Photo

Windows - Affinity Photo

If you're just doing simple edits en masse to images (crops and simple adjustments), then I would bypass an app like Paint.NET altogether and say these are better/easier:

Mac - iPhoto, Photos, Aperture, Any Lightroom Clone (there are many)

Windows - PhotoDirector, ACDSee, Any Lightroom Clone (there are many)

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by prokoudine »

gilrain wrote: post #168
prokoudine wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, when you complain about usability issues in GIMP to _me_, I actually listen and make notes. Some of these notes end up in the bug tracker. But not, and I repeat -- not when complaints are made in demanding and offensive tone, without providing useful feedback.

If you discard feedback based on tone, you will very obviously bias yourself toward only accepting positive or positive-leaning feedback. I'm sure you can see how that would seriously hinder software quality in the long run. And, indeed, we can see that it has in the case of GIMP.

You kinda missed the part where I mention tone _and_ lack of useful feedback.
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