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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nbdev »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #142
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and blacks were taking up arms because they were literally being bombed. The whites wanted to control their rights to have guns so they could continue controlling the black populations with violent force. So you highlight how gun control has been used as an oppressive tool in the past. What are we do to when only our corrupt government is allowed to have guns?

Our "corrupt government" would crush us with jets, tanks, nukes, laser weapons, missiles, helicopters, drones, ships, chemical weapons, smallpox, and probably many more things regardless of whether we had AR-15s or not.

You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government.

And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one?

And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt?

People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so. Otherwise you get something like England. Say the wrong thing and you go to jail. The 2nd Amendment keeps the government in check. Eventually, given enough time, it will need checking.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by manfredo »

SpikeDad wrote: post #26
CydeWeys wrote: post #23

Great, so /r/gundeals, which was nothing more than a sales aggregator for law-abiding online retailers, is gone, but /r/the_donald, a vile, rampantly bigoted, conspiracy-theory-peddling shithole, is allowed to stay?

You added "law-abiding". How do you know this?

Is there any indication that these transactions were criminal? Many states allow person to person transfers of firearms, and even those that don't still allow transfers through FFLs (licensed gun stores). Unless people were selling things like unregistered NFA items, there is no indication that these sales were against the law.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nbdev »

Larrikin wrote: post #149
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worked for drugs, and tax evasion, and human trafficking, and alcohol for awhile. Simply make it illegal and it goes away!

The logical conclusion from that train of thought is that laws have no meaning if people break the laws. So why have any laws?

Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by doyoulikeworms »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #81
collias wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not an iPhone? At least Apple seems to care about privacy, and they aren't an ad-tech company like Google or FB.

No removable battery, no headphone jack, no SD card expansion, increased difficulty installing apps not in the official store.. Apples ecosystem is a gilded ghetto

Aside from android being easier to root, don’t the top-tier android phones have all of the other problems too?

Genuine question.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by beckler »

prawn wrote: post #148
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

I live in a country where it is quite unusual for someone to own a gun, but I can appreciate that YouTube how-tos are a great educational tool in the situation you describe. From YouTube's message though, it seemed that they were only cracking down on how-tos pertaining to specific things like magazine size or automatic fire. Would that pertain to the 100+ year old rifle and general gun maintenance/malfunctions?

I own an AR15, but I never shoot it. Truth be told, I didn't buy it and normally I wouldn't be interested in owning it. The only reason I keep it is because it's one of a very few things I built with my father, from scratch, with a bunch of parts. But while building it I gained an appreciation for the engineering behind how it functions, and the underlying mechanism behind how it works. I think that knowledge is still valuable, even if the topic isn't favorable.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Mononokay »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #116
yequalsx wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's interesting is that rural America was in favor of increased gun control in the 1960s when blacks started to assert their right to own guns. Ultimately peoples' attitudes can be swayed and changed and it isn't really hard to do it. Witness our embracing of torture, taking shoes off to board an airplane, fear of sharia law, etc.

Yes, and blacks were taking up arms because they were literally being bombed. The whites wanted to control their rights to have guns so they could continue controlling the black populations with violent force. So you highlight how gun control has been used as an oppressive tool in the past. What are we do to when only our corrupt government is allowed to have guns?

If you're going by second amendment rights, at this point it's more to the spirit of it for civillian fighter jets and tanks to be legalized than guns.

To some extent, I actually imagine it'd be safer for the average citizen.

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From a more protectionist standpoint, you could say that an AR-15 or an AK-47 will allow you to stand up against your government. This isn't really realistic, however - no civillian weapon, especially not a semi-automatic rifle, will reliably take care of a tank, fighter jet, drone or military robot. [0]

[0] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150715-killer-robots-the-s...

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by manfredo »

guelo wrote: post #104
collias wrote: post #51

This is the 21st century equivalent to burning books.

No, it's more like a bookstore not selling books they don't like.

More like bookstores refusing to sell any books on chemistry, out of fear that they will be held liable if some person uses one to make a bomb. Plenty of the things forbidden by these policy guidelines are entirely legal. Manufacturing firearms, manufacturing ammunition, and manufacturing magazines is legal in most states.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by archagon »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #116
yequalsx wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's interesting is that rural America was in favor of increased gun control in the 1960s when blacks started to assert their right to own guns. Ultimately peoples' attitudes can be swayed and changed and it isn't really hard to do it. Witness our embracing of torture, taking shoes off to board an airplane, fear of sharia law, etc.

Yes, and blacks were taking up arms because they were literally being bombed. The whites wanted to control their rights to have guns so they could continue controlling the black populations with violent force. So you highlight how gun control has been used as an oppressive tool in the past. What are we do to when only our corrupt government is allowed to have guns?

And what are we to do when half the population is armed and wants to install an authoritarian regime?

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

This is indeed an alarming move of trying to censor gun information online is by far the most miguided approach to regulating guns I've seen thus far. There aren't inherent risks to knowing the mechanics of physical items much less channels that deal with proper handling of guns or gun communities online. You are literally moving their communities further into the deepweb and making gun ownership a nefarious thing! Optics based bans are extremely frustrating and dissapointing to memembers of both reddit and youtube.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

prawn wrote: post #148
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

I live in a country where it is quite unusual for someone to own a gun, but I can appreciate that YouTube how-tos are a great educational tool in the situation you describe. From YouTube's message though, it seemed that they were only cracking down on how-tos pertaining to specific things like magazine size or automatic fire. Would that pertain to the 100+ year old rifle and general gun maintenance/malfunctions?

I am not super familiar with gun channels, but I'm going to assume that they work same way as many other hobbies. Companies contact the Youtubers to showcase their new products, which are essentially adverts, which means there are always "affiliate links in the description box" to buy the stuff.

At least how I read the announcement this kind of linking will be forbidden which means that the companies making the products have no feedback mechanism on how successful the advertising is, which in turn can kill channels

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