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Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

pferde wrote: post #81
Mikeb85 wrote: post #55

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> How can a vegan diet be more balanced? It lacks diversity which as far as I understand is the primary foundation for good healthy diet. How does it lack diversity? There's far, far more non-animal foodstuffs in the world than types of meat/fish... Also, most traditional and 'varied' diets contain far more vegetable matter than meat anyway.

Yes, and all those non-animal foodstuffs are available also to normal people, in addition to additional foodstuffs which come from animals. Vegan diet is less diverse by definition, as they merely limit themselves, they do not eat anything non-vegans can't. Simple maths.

Western diet without meat is bland and typically lacking. In substantially vegetarian countries like India, the diversity of vegetarian food is far more than anything in Western diet.

What omnivores can consume is different from what they do consume.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

rhizome wrote: post #131
mwfunk wrote: post #78

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Vegan is a lot more restrictive than vegetarian though- I know many Indians who are vegetarians, but I don't think any of them are vegans.

I'd assume Jains have to be.

Jains can have milk. They cannot have things that grow underground

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by tathougies »

screye wrote: post #30
simonsarris wrote: post #12

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Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. The move away from Milk products & Eggs seems to open a huge nutrient gap that the vegan population hasn't adequately identified how to fill.

Indians eat a fuck ton of dairy and eggs. Vegetarian diets aren't a problem -- human cultures have not eaten meat since basically forever. However, vegan diets are a modern thing. No civilization has ever adopted a completely vegan diet.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by Danihan »

weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

I _really_ doubt it's an iron deficiency considering how much iron is spammed into every particle of fortified grain within the US, and how much grain the average person consumes overall. If anything, I'd guess that it's too much iron.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/stroke-risk-linked-to-iron...

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by weinzierl »

koolba wrote: post #101
weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

What do you ask for to have your blood checked? Would whatever tests they do as part of a routine blood tests in a physical include it or is it something separate you'd have to ask for?

Where I live there is a standard blood test, which consists of at least 11 different values. It's a routine thing which is done at at your yearly check-up, but also to check for infections, for example. It is probably similar to a complete blood count (CBC)[1].

I'm not an expert, but from what I understand iron deficiency anemia (IDA) would show in several of these standard blood test values. Not only would Hemoglobin levels be low but also the size of red blood cells be influenced. For a more specific diagnosis of IDA you could ask for ferritin levels, which are not part of the CBC.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_blood_count

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by lostlogin »

cperciva wrote: post #117
lostlogin wrote: post #87

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I had a look, and while that's an exaggeration it's certainly hard to get enough of it in winter. In summer in Calgary it's 600IU per min while in winter it takes 2 hours 42 minutes to get that much. http://purenorth.ca/vitamin-d-your-health/how-much-do-i-need...

That calculator is assuming "midday sun", which doesn't last for very long. (Also, I've been told that 1500 IU/day is what I should aim for.)

That's a lot more than the likes of the Mayo clinic recommend but presumably there is a reason for that. Even if there wasn't, nearly 3 hours outside per day in winter is not that attractive sounding.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by bonzini »

charlesdm wrote: post #115
sdenton4 wrote: post #109

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You're confusing there space of possibilities with the space of what's actually consumed. An omnivore's diet is not more diverse if they only eat pepperoni pizza.

I'm not vegan, but isn't it possible to live healthy, as a vegan?

Yes, but you need vitamin supplements.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by anilgulecha »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #162
rhizome wrote: post #131

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I'd assume Jains have to be.

Jains can have milk. They cannot have things that grow underground

Partially correct. [Source : I'm part of the Jain community]

There's sects that enforce not eating underground veg (potato/onion/ginger/etc) at anytime. Others avoid eating these only during 4 months of monsoon. Others maintain no restrictions.

One of the the core tenets is non-violence, and the Jain ideology provides levels of life, from animals, to trees, to wind and fire. Violence to sensory animals is seen as abhorrent, whereas violence to plants is unavoidable. Underground plants seem to have a higher level of life as many animals are part of their ecosystem. (One hypothesis I have is that these rules actually came about due to the seasonality of these vegetables during the inception of the ideology -- we no longer are similarly restricted in our farming.)

Lapsed members such as myself form a large part of the community -- hence the above claim is only partially true.

On a sidenote, more and more science fiction I've been reading seem to have elements (like Gaia) that provide a higher level of respect to vegetation than non-life, which has provided for some stimulating ideas.

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Post by rnprince »

cmpxchg8b wrote: post #50
paulddraper wrote: post #9

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I know people that would work 80 hour weeks. They were engineers in the gaming industry and a couple crunch weeks were not uncommon. But that's a really specific situation for a short period of time.

I starting working in games in the early 2000s. The first game I worked on (Black & White) had me working 16-20 hour days, 6-7 days a week for 9 months. It destroyed my health and turned me into an agoraphobic for at least a year, with related conditions lasting much longer. I've seen people have to check into mental health institutions after shipping games. At one place I worked, there was a "crack board", where the…

Sorry to hear about what you went through. Any tips about how you recovered, or what you would have done differently?
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