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Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by amingilani »

_kb wrote: post #15

You'd be surprised / scared / outraged if you knew how common this is. Any time you've been in a public place for the past few years, you've likely been watched, analysed and optimised for. Advertising in the physical world is just as scummy as it's online equivalent. Check out the video here http://sightcorp.com/ for an ultra creepy overview. You can even try their live demo: https://face-api.sightcorp.com/demo_basi…

By grinning like an idiot I was classified as a very happy 33 year old female. I'm a 25 year old male.

I tried variations of the standard expressions and pulled off sad, disgust, anger quite easily.

I knew binge watching Lie To Me before my psychology mid would come handy at some point!

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by khedoros1 »

closeparen wrote: post #81
cyberferret wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a few stores here in Australia, I am asked for my post code (or country of residence if no post code) by the cashier when ringing up a sale. Predominantly at tourist/tour related points of sale, but I've also had it an electronics and white goods stores. No idea if the operator is also recording gender and perceived age group etc., but I do know that on most occasions, you can opt not to answer the post code quest…

Isn't it a credit card security feature? That's what it's for at gas stations.

I think they mean if a salesperson asks you for it, rather than when you put it in for a credit transaction.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by ludjer »

avg_dev wrote: post #2

Well, that's disturbing. I bet we'll see much more of this in the coming days.

How is this disturbing? its just like some a public webcam that gets used to identify people. If it is in the public you have no privacy. If you want privacy go home as soon as you are out of your house you lose your privacy. I am a big voter for privacy in your home and private but out in the public your are not private anymore and therefore privacy falls away. Privacy and private kinda go hand in hand. you cant have privacy in a public space it is impossible.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by ludjer »

tjpnz wrote: post #119

It saddens me that there are people in our profession for whom implementing such a thing presents no moral or ethical dilemma.

It saddens me that people are complaining about this yet people are doing way worse in our profession like extorting business for money through ransom-ware, hacking personal information and bank accounts, creating robots that kill people. But no people are worried that while walking around in public place a picture is taken of them and an add is changed to target them.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by adventured »

caf wrote: post #145
preinheimer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this in Canada, at a Dairy Queen. The cash register had a matrix of buttons M: [0-9][10-19][20-29][30-54][55+] F: [0-9][10-19][20-29][30-54][55+] They'd just push a button as they punched in your order.

Presumably most cashiers would just optimise to pressing the same button on every transaction, since doing it "right" makes no difference observable to them.

Unlikely to be common behavior. The tally would come back at the end of a shift or day and the person doing that would be reprimanded, then fired if it continued. It would be enforced by the manager/s.

Now, would they press a random demographic button after that (instead of the same button every time)? Maybe, however there are numerous other ways to increase compliance in that case as well. If the logs kept coming back sketchy, well the cashiers are on tape - bam, another firing (note from the video tape: cashier intentionally hits male button when it's obviously a female, then repeats the behavior multiple times). Eventually the example gets across to the other workers to at least make an effort.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by grogenaut »

alsetmusic wrote: post #65
punk_coder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if it's true, but a friend once told me the reason a store asked for your zip code was to see if they had a large audience coming from a certain area. This let them know other locations to possibly open other stores.

As far back as 2000, my partner was asked for her zip code as we made a purchase and I curtly replied "no comment," to the surprise of everyone there. She walked for her phone number, which really irritated me because this was a $5 retail purchase of some type), and I got more curt when I said, "You don't need that!" I've been annoyed by this stuff long before most people were ready to consider privacy concerns anyth…

Really? I say "Nope" constantly and they're like "no problem" or "it's way easier to look up refunds that way" which is true depending on the store.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by ludjer »

r0muald wrote: post #142
asher_ wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this scummy exactly? If a salesperson was to try to sell to you in a store, they would take into account how you appear and act to tailor the sale. There's nothing wrong with that. Why is it suddenly bad if a machine does it?

Because when you talk to a salesperson you know you're being looked at (and reciprocally you're looking at them), and human memory is limited so it's unlikely they will retain any "data" about you when the contact is finished. Here, instead, there is no indication that you're being watched, analyzed and kept recorded for indefinite amounts of time.

If you are in public you are being looked at I do not understand your logic. When you go in a public place there are already public accessible web cams that people use to track this kind of thing i remember a thesis that used public accessible cams to try and track people and build up a database. I have always had the opinion you lose privacy when you leave your house since you are in public, and public like is opposite of private/privacy so to me it makes sense.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by kbart »

cheetos wrote: post #93

Is this unethical if everything is done locally and no data is stored or resold?

"Is this unethical if everything is done locally and no data is stored or resold?"

If it is hidden (no clear warning) and there's no way to opt-out, then yes, it is unethical imho.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by grogenaut »

jabagonuts wrote: post #68
alsetmusic wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far back as 2000, my partner was asked for her zip code as we made a purchase and I curtly replied "no comment," to the surprise of everyone there. She walked for her phone number, which really irritated me because this was a $5 retail purchase of some type), and I got more curt when I said, "You don't need that!" I've been annoyed by this stuff long before most people were ready to consider privacy concerns anyth…

I like to give fake numbers in these situations. The way I see it, intentionally supplying bogus data is one of the only ways we have left to fight the machines and their algorithms!

I was in an albertsons back when they wanted a number in tahoe and went in the 2nd time... cashier remembered me and said "what's that number again... something something something 5309eynine..." and was dancing a bit... it took me a second then I said "what's the area code here?" he glady gave it to me, so for about 12 years I just did $CURRENT_ZIP-867-5309.

My safeway card is in someone else's name... one day they had to pull it for some reason and I got a "Have a nice day.... Mr.... Soprano." and a big smile.

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