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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by younata »

olefoo wrote: post #102
turtle4 wrote: post #68

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Worse that that, you have to be calling someone else with an iPhone, and you -both- have to be using wifi. Don't get me wrong, it is a step up from what they used to have available, but that is kind of a tall order for general consumption.

I can see it being useful for family stuff, "mom's on a business trip but she's going to read you a bedtime story, OK?" sort of thing. The limitations are going to go away pretty quickly I'd bet. Well, except for doing video over 3G but that's only because AT&T doesn't seem to understand how much hatred they are earning.

The only reason they are ignorant to how much people hate AT&T is because AT&T has the iphone. The minute the iphone is available for tmobile, verizon, or sprint, AT&T will see how much people hate them.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by crocowhile »

jodrellblank wrote: post #139
Daishiman wrote: post #89

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Why is the parent being downvoted? It's true! This are just evolutionary improvements for some things and playing catch-up with others. Doesn't stop it from being a great product, but it's not the aweomest thing Steve wants you to believe.

In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software. I agree that it's not spouting a coffee filter and electric razor, but strongly disagree that you can step to "not innovative" "meh, useless catchup". One part of not being measured at features/$ checklist is not being measured at…

It's better than iphone 3GS but this is not surprising. Hardware wise is catching up with some older HTC models for some features or lagging behind the newest models. High resolution display being the only thing really better than any other phones out there.

If the fight is on software, I put my money on android: big time! Android is quicker at introducing new OS features because it's open source. I am thinking wifi tethering, customization beyond folders, web integration... and it offers a more competitive and free app market.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by bbatsell »

herdrick wrote: post #152
bbatsell wrote: post #103

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That doesn't eliminate the problem of interference from all of the other networks on the same channel (or on the neighboring channel that shares part of the spectrum), which are all using omnidirectional antennas. It can help, certainly, but 570 Wi-Fi networks in one ballroom is going to be hell on any network chip trying to sort through all the noise.

No, I'm including all the antennas in that - why not use directional ones for all the networks in the room to keep the stage free of extra networks?

Because Apple had control over, maybe, 10-20 APs in the room (and those almost certainly only constituted one mesh network). The 569 other networks were from devices controlled by journalists and other attendees, the majority of which were MiFis (according to Jobs), which don't even have ports for external antennas.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by kmfrk »

weeksie wrote: post #57

The FaceTime thing is epic. That said, it just gets more and more dangerous to go out and get hammered and start drunk-dialing people . . . The number of post-bender apologies that I usually have to make will probably go up by at least 50%.

I wonder how the caller screen prompts you. It's not that I don't like talking to my friends, but I want to retain the option of faceless conversation---preferably without ending the call altogether.

I'll leave this chat to chummy family and spousal conversation and celebrities, because there are only so many times of the week where I look good.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by nooneelse »

enjo wrote: post #151
mclin wrote: post #113

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Yea, who knows. At least it'll set the trend to put front cameras in smart phones. Eventually the capability will spread enough that you can use it when you want, but I suspect that after the novelty wears off people will go back to regular calls, even if it's free. Why? People are really good at perceiving presence even if we can't see someone. It's just not necessary. Think about this: What fraction of time do you…

Not to mention: Are you really going to do video chat while you're walking down the street? Driving in your car (god I hope not)? The 'mobile' in 'mobile phone' seems directly at odds with the whole concept.

I pretty much agree. With ease and ubiquity it will be very useful for some tasks ("hey honey, which of these lamps do you like better"), and for some "big moment" calls ("this is your new grandson"). So, it can be significant even without being a large fraction of overall calls.

Most people like being able to get away with all those little things that the other person can't hear over a phone. Being on camera would seem more stifling/restrictive than freeing in many situations.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by ubernostrum »

tvon wrote: post #100
_3ex7 wrote: post #35

Please just say its coming to Verizon already.

I think AT&T giving discounted renewals six months in advance is good indication that they will be losing exclusivity early in 2011.

It is, or at least I thought was, well-known that the exclusivity agreement Apple entered into when developing/releasing the iPhone had a term of five years.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by rimantas »

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

So Nexus One has 960x640 300+ ppi, IPS LED backlit display? Its 5Mpx camer is with backside illumination? How is Nexus One increased battery life compared to iPhone 4? 10 hours of video, correct?

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by stcredzero »

hboon wrote: post #54
ugh wrote: post #39

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It’s just a name for a 300+ ppi display. At that resolution and at the distances you usually hold a phone from the eye you shouldn’t be able to discern individual pixels. That’s it. The app things seems obvious, would be a serious oversight if they didn’t do that.

I wish it means this though - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_retinal_display

Typical marketer move - steal the term from even more advanced tech to hype an incremental, quantitative advance on current tech.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by nooneelse »

pohl wrote: post #14
jakarta wrote: post #5

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"Its really going to piss me off that my phone call isn't going through because some jerkoff is harvesting virtual cabbage."

Whoever said that must not be able to talk & use the network at the same time?

No, you missed the point. The point was that the people farming are going to be taking up bandwidth and this will (further) degrade network performance for others. And so when the speaker has a call fail and this occurs to them, it will be annoying, presumably due to how frivolous a use of bandwidth that activity seems to the speaker.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by stcredzero »

ThomPete wrote: post #58

I am beginning to wonder whether iAds is the reason Apple don't want Flash on their mobile devices.

Actually, that makes sense. If Flash were on the iPhoneOS devices along with some kind of cross-compile dev environment, then Adobe could develop its own iAd clone. By controlling runtimes, and development environments, Apple makes it much harder for a competitor "ad within the app" framework to exist.
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