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Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by kuschku »

creshal wrote: post #128
OJFord wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn it off in preferences. (Although I guess if you got rid of the app, you'd have to install it again to do that! No unsubscribe link?)

I sent them a scathing email about Nylas violating EU privacy laws years ago, and they only responded to them after I spoke up against the product here on HN. They still haven't told me what data they collected about me, which they are required to by law. It's nice to see that Nylas has learned nothing at all and keeps violating their users' rights. Maybe I should finally sue them.

I suggest calling your local EU Data Privacy Official, they’ll be able to investigate the issue, and sue Nylas – without you having to get active, and netting the same result (your privacy rights being respected).

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by jcranmer »

karim wrote: post #158
jcranmer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you could implement RFC 3798, an update of RFC 2298. It's not like these things haven't been standardized for almost 2 decades.

Unfortunately, standardization != widespread use. Tracking pixels are still the most reliable way to know whether a recipient (or many) opened your message.

Unless your recipients use email clients that don't load remote http images except on demand.

I can think of one email client with ~15 million users that does that.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by 0x6c6f6c »

ilSignorCarlo wrote: post #65
0x6c6f6c wrote: post #61

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Honestly this move is something that might bring me back into it. It opens up an already existing codebase for basic functionality to users who wouldn't be paying otherwise- and perhaps with dependence on this service or interest in more that it offers, they may turn into a subscription user. The same happens for me with ProtonMail. I used the basic service but found that the convenience of a paid plan was enough for…

That's true, but I'm worried that at some point they might decide again to remove the free plan

The terminology they use is:

"The Basic edition of Nylas Mail will remain free forever."

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by kuschku »

parfe wrote: post #36
Tepix wrote: post #12

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So it's closed source, by a US company (subject to NSLs, violating foreigners rights etc) and they get a copy of all my mails? At least that's what it sounds like.

This is an absurd comment venting your personal gripes with US Law onto someone's product. Which supported service is not already running in the USA and subject to NSLs? In what way is Nylas reducing your privacy?

> Which supported service is not already running in the USA and subject to NSLs?

Quoting

>> You actually can add any IMAP server

Well, my own server?

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by echion »

karim wrote: post #158
jcranmer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you could implement RFC 3798, an update of RFC 2298. It's not like these things haven't been standardized for almost 2 decades.

Unfortunately, standardization != widespread use. Tracking pixels are still the most reliable way to know whether a recipient (or many) opened your message.

That's not a good excuse for not implementing a standard. It's also a little like saying "private investigators are still the most reliable way to know whether a person is at home": it's true, but not really a better thing to implement.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by nkkollaw »

How is this different than Mail and every other email client in existence?

Don't get me wrong, it looks extremely good.

However, I visited the site and immediately clicked on the back button.

I've been using Google Inbox for a few months, and it radically changed how I handle my many mailboxes. It's not rare now that I actually achieve inbox zero.

I would love to see the same amount of innovation that was put into Google Inbox (I think they might have acquired it, though?) in another email client, as I'm always looking to try things out.

In Nylas, I see the same things that make dealing with email a pain: folders, the trash and spam being given the same importance as the inbox, etc.

It's set up to make it a job to keep your emails organized, while you shouldn't keep them organized, because it's just doesn't matter: just reply and mark as done, snooze until you can reply and mark as done, or discard/mark multiple emails at the same time and go on with your life.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by mamcx »

cookiecaper wrote: post #135
mamcx wrote: post #133

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In all fronts is the worst, except easy of build a cross-platform GUI (not necessarily native looking!). The thing is that is easy to get the basic widgets cross-platform but in the moment you need custom widgets or easy styling html/css just is easier. I wish exist a native renderer that could use a (saner, better) subset of html/css that fit the same use case, then let us use any better language for the logic. Prob…

JavaScript is NOT the first language to provide cross-platform GUI. Such toolkits are very old. Gtk, Qt, wxWidgets, and many others serve this functionality and have bindings across dozens of languages. There is no reason to use JavaScript just so you can get a "cross platform GUI".

Is not about the first (and this is more about html/css than JavaScript). Is about the easier to work out, specially for custom styling and do custom widgets.

Not get me wrong, I don't like much JS/html apart as be hostage as everyone else to use it in the web, but is clear that as far to build the GUI is way more enjoyable than most GUI toolkit.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by compuguy »

grinich wrote: post #21

Hey HN-- I'm the author of this post. Feel free to post questions! We are a very small team building this app. Hopefully you can focus on what's new/good and not what is left to do! :) If you find bugs, please post them here: https://github.com/nylas/n1/issues/

What happened to the keybase/pgp plugin? Is that a pro only feature?

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by karim »

skierscott wrote: post #140

I debated switching but the lack of IMAP support in the free version turned me away. That's the only feature I want Nylas Pro and it's not worth $12/mo.

Nylas Basic supports generic IMAP accounts. We don't show them in the list of supported providers for QA reasons but you can still add such an account like this: https://imgur.com/a/WBdXe

(By the way, feel free to open a Github issue if you're encountering problems syncing your IMAP account: https://github.com/nylas/N1/issues/)

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by timdorr »

maglavaitss wrote: post #132

How about not tracking anything? How about not using a shitty Electron app and calling it "the best email client ever"? Edit: Oh, and for the downvoting/Electron-loving folks out there, Electron is the best and All hail Elon Musk!

Well, there are standards for that (RFC 3798 as pointed out above), but this is entirely something in your control so that you can know if an email was read or not. You choose to turn on tracking (on a per-email basis with a default of your choosing) and then get notified whenever that tracking pixel is hit.

And the thought that using Electron and being the best email client are incompatible concepts is misguided. There are many quality products built on top of frustratingly bad technology stacks. But if you think about it, Gmail is a web app too. Different wrapper (your browser), same tech stack. And Gmail is pretty good.

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