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2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by otterley »

Roritharr wrote: post #142
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

Have you guys tried using this monitor with a Windows Notebook like the XPS 13 or 15? I wonder how the intercompatibility is between the "for Apple" branded LG Monitors and the Standard USB-C TB3 Devices.

This particular monitor is not one of the two "for Apple" monitors announced alongside the MBP announcement.

But to answer your question: no. We don't run Windows at home and have no such test equipment.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by wcarron »

Tom1971 wrote: post #8

While, over time, a lot of today's annoyances with the new Macabook's will fade away, the lack of ESC key is a deal breaker for me. I tried it at the Apple Store and it's pretty much unusable. (It had the seen issue as the writer, apparently relying on the physical click to know whether or not I had pressed it. In addition, I also mistyped it a lot. Maybe hack to replace the whole touch bar as one single ESC key will…

I remapped my ESC key to `jj`. Set the timeout to 1 sec and it's been working flawlessly for me.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by otterley »

lvh wrote: post #53
abakker wrote: post #39

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3 sounds like a doozy. Is there any way that the average person can learn to tell these apart once they are out of the packaging, or is it really just a guess and check?

My understanding is that Thunderbolt 3 cables should have the Thunderbolt logo on them.

It's not a Thunderbolt issue. It's about supporting "DisplayPort Alternate Mode." This particular monitor doesn't support Thunderbolt.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by otterley »

lvh wrote: post #51
Siecje wrote: post #35

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Why doesn't the Apple-supplied USB charging cable work?

The cable is a USB-C cable, but not a Thunderbolt 3 cable. This is confusing, because they use the same USB-C port. My understanding is that Thunderbolt cables have the thunderbolt logo on them.

It's not a Thunderbolt issue. It's about supporting "DisplayPort Alternate Mode." This particular monitor doesn't support Thunderbolt.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by otterley »

wlesieutre wrote: post #73
cpmsmith wrote: post #48

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Not all USB-C connectors are created equal. Something with that connector can support or not support a number of protocols, e.g. USB, Thunderbolt 3, USB-C power throughput, etc.

In this case, the cable used with the monitor needs to be a Thunderbolt 3 cable, not just a USB-C cable. I haven't seen a teardown of the new ones, but at least for the previous generation there's a bit more to it than your average cable. https://www.wired.com/2011/06/thunderbolt-cable-teardown-rev... Thunderbolt 2 had the same compatibility issue in that it was the same connector as Mini DisplayPort but couldn't run…

It's not a Thunderbolt issue. It's about supporting "DisplayPort Alternate Mode." This particular monitor doesn't support Thunderbolt.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by matthewmacleod »

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #129
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

What do you think the effect of constant charging will be on battery life in the long term?

There is no practical impact on modern batteries from being constantly connected to power.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by CountSessine »

Elizer0x0309 wrote: post #150
CountSessine wrote: post #135

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Apple has left the golden middle ground a long time ago and is going after the "media" types only. News flash: the margins in those youtubers-sectors are very low, hence the spending will dry sooner rather then later. I don't think that this is a very good good laptop for media-youtuber types either. Just watch Casey Neistat's review of the new rMBP. He really wants to like it, but it's really clear from what he's sa…

Haha. Well color me surprised. Now I really don't know which target market they're trying to aim for, cause where I'm standing it's a net miss, aside from the millennial generation which isn't a bread winning one for the most part. Maybe I'm not seeing their big picture, but as far as I'm concerned, A net producer from technical to art, this machine is a fail.

I see no user's needs being a good subset of this machine's capabilities. It's just impractical.

I have a 2012 rMBP and I'm thinking of upgrading to a refurb 2015 rMBP. I'd like to upgrade to the last good generation of MBP; it might be a while before Apple decides to start making good laptops again.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by [deleted] »

diggan wrote: post #111
adamio wrote: post #80

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"If you need to use Esc to force an app to close, you can switch to another app and try Option-Command-Escape. You can also choose Apple menu > Force Quit." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358

Heh, that makes me think about Finder that is always open. What if Finder is the only app you have open, and it hangs?

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Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by matwood »

adamio wrote: post #80
Rezo wrote: post #32

If you're used to the Mac's "force app to quit" Command-Option-Esc shortcut, it won't work from the touchbar if the app is unresponsive: https://twitter.com/technosucks/status/800831482608484352 "You might not be able to use the Esc button in the Touch Bar if the app you're using becomes unresponsive." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358 Fortunately you can still force the Mac to shut down with the Touch ID butt…

"If you need to use Esc to force an app to close, you can switch to another app and try Option-Command-Escape. You can also choose Apple menu > Force Quit." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358

Or ctrl-click the app in the dock and push option when the menu comes up.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by CountSessine »

Rezo wrote: post #114
adamio wrote: post #80

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"If you need to use Esc to force an app to close, you can switch to another app and try Option-Command-Escape. You can also choose Apple menu > Force Quit." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358

Sometimes when I use XQuartz and Inkscape or some other X11 app on Mac, it will freeze such that you can't switch apps or use the Apple menu. Option-Command-Esc used to work... In the video linked above the Apple menu also didn't appear to work, despite the mouse cursor moving, which matches my experiences.

Sometimes when I use XQuartz and Inkscape or some other X11 app on Mac, it will freeze such that you can't switch apps or use the Apple menu. Option-Command-Esc used to work...

Exactly - what not everyone realizes is that the top menu is rendered and events from it are dispatched into the process of the current (active) application. If that thing refuses to return from an event handler dispatched from the main thread's run loop, (i.e. most cases where program has hung), you can't use the Apple menu.

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