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2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Wi-fi going down when you plug in an external device is completely unacceptable.

This isn't anything new. It's a well established fact that USB 3.0 interferes with 2.4 Ghz Wi-Fi.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2423604,00.asp

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/io/universal-ser...

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that it's specifically the thunderbolt-2 adapter that doesn't support further adapting to other alternate mode mechanisms. This might be because of incompatibilities between TB2 and TB3/USB3.1 alternate mode implementations? It doesn't mean it can't do DP over a specific type-c to DP cable/dongle, which presumably are or will be a thing (eg: https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_displaypo…

There are USB-C to DisplayPort cables. You need some sort of converting cable anyway--the old MBP had Mini DisplayPort and I've never seen a monitor with a MiniDP input.

I have an Asus mg279q with both a DP and a miniDP input. The provided cable is a DP to miniDP, so you can plug most devices with a single cable (just reverse it).

I guess other monitors from the same line have miniDP inputs too.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn't the Apple-supplied USB charging cable work?

Not all USB-C connectors are created equal. Something with that connector can support or not support a number of protocols, e.g. USB, Thunderbolt 3, USB-C power throughput, etc.

In this case, the cable used with the monitor needs to be a Thunderbolt 3 cable, not just a USB-C cable. I haven't seen a teardown of the new ones, but at least for the previous generation there's a bit more to it than your average cable.

https://www.wired.com/2011/06/thunderbolt-cable-teardown-rev...

Thunderbolt 2 had the same compatibility issue in that it was the same connector as Mini DisplayPort but couldn't run over a standard DP cable. That was pretty minor since it's not like everyone has a pile of loose DP cables sitting around.

On the other hand, your average consumer never uses a Thunderbolt device to begin with on account of them being significantly more expensive than other accessories. They'll likely never run into this even with it using a USB-like cable, and the people who do need TB will figure it out.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Not supporting DisplayPort with an adapter is just insane. Apple's new top-end laptop is incompatible with the most common way to connect external monitors? I've been willing to give Apple and the new MBP the benefit of the doubt on this stuff, and in particular I don't mind that it needs dongles now if that means we get universal USB-C adoption faster. But the dongles need to actually exist and work now!

With my late 2013 MBPR and ViewSonic VX2475SMHL-4K, all I had to do was use a mini-DP to DP cable and everything just works, both in OSX and Windows 10. I hardly ever boot into OSX any more - most of my work is in Windows and I generally like Windows better anyway - especially with the crisper font rendering after using the ClearType tuner compared to the fuzzier OSX text. (Yes, OSX - I haven't even bothered to upgra…

You normally use Windows on your 2013 MBPR? All hardware working nicely?

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

That looks like a good choice for a monitor. I've been thinking two of the 4K LG monitors Apple offers next to each other in portrait orientation would be nice. However, the lower UHD resolution at 27" rather than 21" probably makes a lot more sense for me if I want to be able to sit further away from the display. If my eyes are 3-4ft away, 160ppi probably doesn't even look like it has less definition than 220ppi.

We have no complaints about it, other than the price. (It's still $200-$300 cheaper than the 27" 5K display that hasn't shipped yet; but it's about $100-$200 more than an equivalent Dell display that doesn't have USB-C.) We also wish it charged at > 57W, but this monitor predates the release of the new MBPs.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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I have a fully loaded 15" arriving on Monday. If I cannot connect it to my beloved Dell P2715Q at 4K@60hz, I'm sending it back. This is clownstickery at its finest.

Hopefully I can save you some frustration. If you got the TB2 dongle, it won't work. Apple suggests you purchase a third party DisplayPort dongle. Make sure it's DisplayPort 1.2 (that's what lets you do 4k@60Hz). No advice on what to buy though; except check the reviews to make sure it works on the 2016 MBP! (_NOT_ the MacBook! Compatibility with the MacBook means nothing.)

Thanks. @sandipc above linked to this[1] monoprice cable, but it's out of stock with no ETA. :( I'll keep looking.

[1] http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12908

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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A few other problems I came across: 1. Battery life is much lower than specified: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/battery-life-for-13-and-... 2. Some users report graphic card problems: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pool-do-you-have-graphic... Here is how it looks like: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-freaks-out-... 3. TouchBar graphics sometimes display on the screen instead of on the Touc…

I wonder how much of the battery life issue is that the new one has a much brighter backlight. Half brightness should get you about 250 nits on the new one, versus 150 nits on the old one. Tests that calibrate to an actual brightness level rather than a given brightness setting don't seem to show worse battery life.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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If you're used to the Mac's "force app to quit" Command-Option-Esc shortcut, it won't work from the touchbar if the app is unresponsive: https://twitter.com/technosucks/status/800831482608484352 "You might not be able to use the Esc button in the Touch Bar if the app you're using becomes unresponsive." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358 Fortunately you can still force the Mac to shut down with the Touch ID butt…

"If you need to use Esc to force an app to close, you can switch to another app and try Option-Command-Escape. You can also choose Apple menu > Force Quit." https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207358
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