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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by 6stringmerc »

tsaprailis wrote: post #4

There's also the longer (3:28) video with the Paint It Black theme: https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...

...so...going on basic understanding of IP rights management...

If I was an investor I'd be super fucking pissed off Tesla is squandering capital on NOT CHEAP sync rights for Rolling Stones songs to be used in their PR materials.

If I was an investor I'd be super fucking pissed off Tesla is ignorant enough about Intellectual Property that they'd use a Rolling Stones song in their PR materials without paying the NOT CHEAP sync rights.

No credits at the end? Yeah, I get the feeling they didn't pay. Before you want to dog pile me for doubting if Tesla did things right, keep in mind this is a company that blows its own deadlines and wants to lock in its IP...well, I've seen a thing or two over the past 20 years of online life and I remember when Microsoft paid out the nose to get the Rolling Stones to license "Start Me Up" for a Windows campaign. The rights holder to some Rolling Stones material broke up The Verve following "Bittersweet Symphony" case.

Yes, I'm an IP asshole, but I'm a lot better at it than most.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by frik »

the8472 wrote: post #22

There seem to be some issues. E.g. it recognizes the joggers (0:55) as obstacles even though they're obviously (to a human) on the sidewalk. And when taking a right turn (1:01) it mistakes a hydrant and a parked car in a parking bay on the other side for an obstacle and stops for a moment before noticing that they're not actually in its lane. I think a polite driver may have slowed down gradually to not startle the j…

Does this new Telsa autopilot use stereo cameras? Would stereo camera help to have a better 3D vision? Or is a video stream enough to get the 3D data.

From the video it looks like lane detection and 2D object recognition.

It might use a structure-from-motion (SfM) running on CUDA to get a 3D point cloud out of the 8 cams. Does someone know more about how their new auto pilot works?

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by vbernat »

phee wrote: post #140
ajmurmann wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's inconveniencing other drivers on the road and much more importantly this erratic stopping from a human perspective might make it more likely to cause an accident. Granted the accident would legally be the meat driven car's fault who bumps into the suddenly stopped Tesla. It would still be nice to play well with human drivers who don't have the luxury of relaxing in a self driving car.

I agree, legal or not, I very much rely on other drivers "signals" when driving. Over the years you learn to predict what the driver in front of you would do in a normal situation and adjust your driving in advance. I'm still able to break on emergency but when you can clearly see way ahead of the car in front there is no obstacle and yet they still brake it's extremely risky and frustrating. Young drivers here usual…

It means that you would have been surprised if the jogger was making a jump to her left (avoiding hole in her path for example), forcing any driver to hit the brake.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by kalleboo »

rebuilder wrote: post #81
kalleboo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autodriving 90% of the time would be a fantastic feature. Autodriving 100% of the time is where it gets revolutionary (mass-layoffs of truck drivers, taxi drivers, summon features that park cheaply outside of downtown). The former is great, but there's a lot of hype going around right now so it's not strange for people to be cynical.

Forget parking, the cars would be driving, ferrying people and goods around, as much as possible when not charging. No need to own one, just hail one when you need a ride.

It will be interesting to see how people take to not owning cars. People like customizing their spaces, and I can see people with young children not wanting to deal with all that setup multiple times a day...

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by jbuzbee »

I wonder how these self-driving systems are going to deal with wildlife or even domestic pets running wild. It's fairly common on my commute to see deer grazing along the roadside just a few feet from the pavement. I typically slow way, way down and creep by as they'll walk right onto the road if the mood strikes them. Getting enough test-cases for the software could be difficult.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by schiffern »

cel1ne wrote: post #80
martin_bech wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my autopilot gen 1 Tesla, when the software was first released, lane markings had to be really clear, but as the software has matured, it now does less than perfect lane marking in pretty heavy rain without issue.

What does it do on roads without any lane-markings? My country has lot's of them outside the cities.

It does two things.

Holistic path planning uses the entire scene to identify the lane, not just the lane markings.[1] This is exactly how a human drives on a rural road.

Once enough fleet learning data is gathered, high resolution maps will mark out the road surface to high accuracy (cm).

Of course that's no good unless the car knows where it is within cm! For this Tesla uses sensor fusion with GPS, an onboard IMU (similar to a smartphone), four wheel wheel odometry (via the ABS sensors), steering angle, and torque delivery. Owners report that the Autopilot 1.0 cars know their position in a parking space to within about 10 cm. And it has demonstrated high accuracy and low drift in no-GPS situations[2].

This type of sensor fusion (Kalman filtering) was originally developed for the Apollo spacecraft, and was one of the responsibilities of the famed Apollo Guidance Computer.

[1] http://wccftech.com/tesla-autopilot-story-in-depth-technolog...

[2] http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-teslas-model-s-tracks-y...

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by rikkus »

phee wrote: post #140
ajmurmann wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's inconveniencing other drivers on the road and much more importantly this erratic stopping from a human perspective might make it more likely to cause an accident. Granted the accident would legally be the meat driven car's fault who bumps into the suddenly stopped Tesla. It would still be nice to play well with human drivers who don't have the luxury of relaxing in a self driving car.

I agree, legal or not, I very much rely on other drivers "signals" when driving. Over the years you learn to predict what the driver in front of you would do in a normal situation and adjust your driving in advance. I'm still able to break on emergency but when you can clearly see way ahead of the car in front there is no obstacle and yet they still brake it's extremely risky and frustrating. Young drivers here usual…

Instead of relying on other drivers' signals, you could instead use them as extra warning, and instead of driving so close to them you're putting yourself and them and potentially others in danger if they brake when you didn't expect, you could back off to a safe distance.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by jjnoakes »

Klathmon wrote: post #153
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've wondered about this. Totally defensive driving would reduce a car to 5mph - somebody might jump out from behind every blind corner or mailbox. Truth is, we all drive fairly irresponsibly, trusting in the rules of the road and human self-preservation to keep most stuff out of our way. And if we do hit somebody who dashes out on the freeway, well that's an accident or 'their fault' or 'nobody's fault' so no foul.…

I think it's going to take some societal change, but we will have to. Computers are just an extension of ourselves. The people making these systems will make mistakes, these systems will kill people (and arguably already have), but hopefully they will kill less than we currently do by not having them. There's this stigma around "computers" where people treat them differently than everything else. Yes, you're getting…

The big difference is, if I make a mistake and hurt myself, my family, or others, I have myself to blame. If my car makes a mistake though, I have someone else to blame.

Even though the statistics may point to self-driving cars being safer in the aggregate, would an individual be willing to give up control to software which might make a mistake and kill them? Even if, statistically, they might be safer?

Will people make the rational choice, or the emotional choice?

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